High School Does acceleration affect impact energy vs constant velocity?

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Dale said:
That can happen momentarily in an elastic collision.
Yes; as with a bouncy spring but does this relate to a car collision? Only in Bugs Bunny lol.
The scenario is a bit undefined but, then, the whole problem is a bit vague. Without some disciplined Physics we can’t conclude anything.
 
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sophiecentaur said:
Yes; as with a bouncy spring but does this relate to a car collision? Only in Bugs Bunny lol.
The scenario is a bit undefined but, then, the whole problem is a bit vague. Without some disciplined Physics we can’t conclude anything.
I don’t think the question is specific to car collisions. It seems to me that the OP just wants the simplest basic principles to use to reason. So simplifications like elastic collisions and Hooke’s law are specifically requested.
 
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Dale said:
I don’t think the question is specific to car collisions. It seems to me that the OP just wants the simplest basic principles to use to reason. So simplifications like elastic collisions and Hooke’s law are specifically requested.
Except he is using car driving as a scenario. Are we discussing a lab experiment with an object hitting a spring / buffer? No, I don’t think so. The OP seems to want to do the whole thing in one go and doesn’t seem to accept that the full scenario is very complicated. If the scenario involves an instantaneous collision then it doesn’t matter whether the object is accelerating or not. Hooke’s law cannot come into it in zero time. If the impact takes time and displacement then more details are needed.
The only collisions discussed in elementary Physics are with idealised billiard balls etc. and possibly with coefficient of restitution less than unity. That’s a single impact with a given approach velocity. Those problems are simple and soluble. Introducing car crashes is miles further along the learning path.
I think the requests for Hooke’s law etc are basically requests for ways to approach the problem. The formulae are just tools and advice is needed how and when to apply them. So we have to start with a sensible problem.
 
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sophiecentaur said:
Except he is using car driving as a scenario.
I don’t think that car collisions are central to their question. They mentioned it once after many posts either not specifically about cars or even about things that were explicitly not cars.
 
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Dale said:
I don’t think that car collisions are central to their question. They mentioned it once after many posts either not specifically about cars or even about things that were explicitly not cars.
The OP could clear up the context of the question.

It all depends on where the original question arose in his mind. If it came from a list of text book - type questions then It was not helpful for any student because it's totally open ended and has no answer. The wording of the question suggests that it comes from a real life situation (PF regularly gets that sort of question). Bringing in the car scenario suggests that the car is appropriate - the wording of the post implies an attempt to use Physics - speak to re-state a practical question. A question, posed in that way needs to be unpicked to produce an answerable one. High school physics cannot deal with many real life situations; there are too many variables involved in real life and we (PF) can be helpful by pointing our the parts of a question that are actually answerable and the parts that are for 'later'.
 
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Ray033 said:
So, acceleration can increase the energy at the moment of impact vs constant velocity
It's not the acceleration itself that increases the energy. It's the force, and only if that force continues to act after the collision.

In my opinion you don't need to worry about that because the statement of the problem doesn't specify that detail.

I think all that's needed is an understanding that the energy is given by ##\frac{1}{2}mv^2##, an expression that doesn't include the acceleration.
 
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