Does Changing Material Density Affect the Center of Mass in a Composite Object?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the effect of material density on the center of mass (CM) of composite objects, specifically focusing on a solid metal cube divided into two halves of different densities. Participants explore the implications of density changes on the CM and the calculations involved in determining it.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that the center of mass could be intuitively understood as a weighted average of the densities of the materials involved.
  • Another participant explains that the center of mass is the point where an object can be balanced and discusses how to experimentally determine it using physical objects like forks.
  • A participant reiterates the initial question about the center of mass of a cube divided into two halves of different densities and proposes a method for calculating the CM based on the individual masses and positions of the two blocks.
  • One participant notes that the center of mass must be computed separately for each axis and provides an example using a donut to illustrate the concept of symmetry in CM calculations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying degrees of understanding and methods for calculating the center of mass, but there is no consensus on the implications of changing material density or the best approach to the problem.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention the complexity of formulas for calculating center of mass and the potential for simplification through staged calculations. There is an acknowledgment of the need to consider symmetry and axis-specific calculations in determining the center of mass.

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My textbook is giving awfully complicated formulas for centers of mass for actual objects (if they are a system of massive points, that's simpler for me.)

Intuitively though, it just seems like it would be a weighted average??

So,

If I have a solid metal cube, divided into two halfs, one iron, and one with a density of less than that of iron, does it have the same center of mass as if the cube was pure iron, but the half that was "formerly" a less dense metal was "smushed" along the axis perpendicular to the line the cube was divided among so that it has the same mass as it did when the lighter metal was there?
 
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The centre of mass of an object is the point at which it can be balanced (in a gravitational field). It is usually difficult though to balance something exactly at its C of M as it is usually inside the object.
If you could balance the object on a point, then the C of M would be directly above that point.
If you suspend the object using a (massless) string, then the C of M would be directly below and in line with the string.
In your examples, think about trying to balance the cube at different points on its surface. What would you discover?

Does the C of M stay fixed or does its position change?

A neat C of M experiment is to take two forks and stick them together at their tines so that the reulting shape is a rough parabola. Where is the centre of mass of the pair of forks?
To find it, determine where it can be balanced - by sticking a toothpick into the forks so that you can balance them by resting the other end of the toothpick on your finger.
 
1MileCrash said:
My textbook is giving awfully complicated formulas for centers of mass for actual objects (if they are a system of massive points, that's simpler for me.)

Intuitively though, it just seems like it would be a weighted average??

So,

If I have a solid metal cube, divided into two halfs, one iron, and one with a density of less than that of iron, does it have the same center of mass as if the cube was pure iron, but the half that was "formerly" a less dense metal was "smushed" along the axis perpendicular to the line the cube was divided among so that it has the same mass as it did when the lighter metal was there?

The CM of the two different blocks can be calculated by first working out where the CMs of the two individual blocks is. Then using those two CMs and the two masses, you can work out the resulting CM position. That's not too complicated.
Many of these problems can be made simpler by doing them in stages.

Your "weighted average" description is just about exactly what I described.
 
1Milecrash,
Just take note that the CM is computed for the x, y and z axis separately, and where they meet is the real CM. Take a donut - CM right in the middle of the donut since it is symetrical on all 3 axis. Half a donut - well it is symmetrical on 2 axis but not the third, so you have to do your calculation for that 3rd axis. Most statistics books at the back have tables listing different shapes and you can use these to obtain your weighted averages. If it is a really oddball shape than you just have to go through with all the calculations
 

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