Does Conservation of Mass Apply to Compressible Gases in Vents?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the application of the Conservation of Mass principle to compressible gases in a vent system, particularly under steady-state conditions. Participants explore the implications of gas compressibility on mass flow rates and velocities at the inlet and outlet of a vent with constant cross-section.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether the Conservation of Mass applies to compressible gases, specifically asking if the exit velocity must be greater than the inlet velocity under certain conditions.
  • Another participant asserts that Conservation of Mass always holds, emphasizing that steady state implies no accumulation of mass or pressure between the inlet and exit.
  • A later reply suggests using grams per second as a unit for flow rate to clarify the discussion.
  • Further, a participant proposes that if the gas is flowing fast enough to become compressed, the relationship between inlet and outlet velocities can be expressed in terms of densities, and mentions the potential use of the ideal gas law to relate these densities under constant pressure and temperature conditions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that Conservation of Mass applies, but there are differing views on how compressibility affects the relationship between velocities and densities at the inlet and outlet. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specific implications of compressibility on these relationships.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not fully explored the assumptions regarding the ideal gas law applicability, the specific conditions under which compressibility becomes significant, or the implications of varying flow rates on the conservation principle.

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Hi

Just a quick question about Conservation of Mass that I somehow managed to confuse myself:

If I have a vent of constant cross section at steady state, given that conservation of mass means that inlet and exit mass flow rate must be the same, does this mean that, taking the compressibility of gas into account (for this example I'm assuming Ma > 0.3 although unrealistic in real life), this means that the exit velocity must be greater than the inlet velocity (temperature and pressure are the same in inlet and exit)?

Basically my question is (and I know this sounds stupid), conservation of mass holds always even if the gas is compressible?

Thanks
 
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Conservation of mass always holds.

In your example, "steady state" would usually mean that mass (and hence gas pressure) aren't building up between the inlet and the exit.
 
Use grams per second as flow rate.
 
olivermsun said:
Conservation of mass always holds.

In your example, "steady state" would usually mean that mass (and hence gas pressure) aren't building up between the inlet and the exit.

Hi

So at steady and the gas is flowing very fast such that it becomes compressed by the time it gets to the outlet (so its density is higher at the outlet than inlet). Keeping P and T known and constant and area as constant, then the gas velocity at the outlet and inlet are related by the inlet density/exit density = exit velocity/inlet velocity? And the ideal gas law can be used to relate the densities (assuming the P and T conditions are ideal enough)?

Thanks
 

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