Does Density Influence the Curvature of Spacetime?

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The discussion centers on whether the density of matter influences the curvature of spacetime, exploring theoretical implications in both General Relativity and Newtonian gravity. Participants examine different configurations of mass and their effects on gravitational fields and spacetime geometry.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions if two objects with the same mass but different volumes would affect spacetime differently due to their density.
  • Another participant clarifies that energy density is a crucial component of the stress-energy tensor, which influences spacetime according to Einstein's field equations.
  • A participant presents a scenario comparing a symmetric sphere with mass concentrated at the center versus one with mass distributed along the surface, questioning if the gravitational effects would be the same in both cases.
  • In response, another participant acknowledges that while General Relativity has similarities to Newtonian gravity regarding spherical symmetry, the source of gravity in GR is energy rather than rest mass, suggesting that rearranging mass affects the energy and thus the gravitational field produced.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the influence of density on spacetime curvature, with some agreeing on the role of energy density while others question the implications of mass distribution. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the source of gravity in General Relativity is energy, which may depend on the configuration of mass, but the implications of this on spacetime curvature are not fully settled. There are also references to the stress-energy tensor and its components, which may require further clarification.

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Does Density of matter can affect spacetime ? I want to say two same mass but volume is different, this time can we say density of matter affects spacetime different?

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PhyHunter said:
Does Density of matter can affect spacetime ? I want to say two same mass but volume is different, this time can we say density of matter affects spacetime different?
Your question is a little unclear. Energy density is the time-time component of the stress-energy tensor in local inertial coordinates (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stress–energy_tensor), and that is dominated by ρc². Then the stress-energy tensor affects spacetime according to the Einstein field equations (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Einstein_field_equations).
 
If we take a symmetric sphere and nearly all mass is concentrated at the center, vs a case where nearly all mass is distributed along the surface, the Newtonian gravitational force experienced is the same comparing the two cases for a point located anywhere outside of the sphere, correct? And does this also go for GR gravity & time dilation?
 
Yes, BUT. General Relativity does have a Gauss' Law for spherical symmetry, similar to the one for Newtonian gravity, but remember that the source of gravity in GR is not rest mass but energy.

In your example if you take N atoms and rearrange them, first in a shell and then concentrated in the core, their energy will be different, hence the gravitational field they produce will change. Supporting the shell will require elastic energy as well as gravitational potential energy.
 

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