Does Distance from the Fulcrum Decrease Angular Acceleration on a Seesaw?

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between distance from the fulcrum and angular acceleration on a seesaw. Participants explore the implications of mass distribution and the assumptions made in deriving the equations governing angular motion.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant claims that increasing the distance from the fulcrum leads to a decrease in angular acceleration, based on their derivation of the formula.
  • Another participant agrees with the initial claim but raises concerns about the assumptions made regarding the mass of the seesaw.
  • A different participant questions the validity of the initial claim, suggesting that the mass of the seesaw must be considered in the analysis.
  • It is noted that the derived formula applies under the assumption of a massless seesaw and point mass, which may not hold in all scenarios.
  • A later reply suggests including the rotational inertia of the seesaw in the calculations to account for its mass, indicating a potential change in the relationship between distance and angular acceleration.

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Participants express differing views on the validity of the initial claim regarding angular acceleration. There is no consensus, as some participants agree with the initial derivation while others challenge its assumptions and applicability.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations related to assumptions about mass and the applicability of derived formulas. The dependence on whether the seesaw can be approximated as massless or if the load can be treated as a point mass remains unresolved.

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When I do some physics derivation, I find that on a seesaw, if the object is farther away from the fulcrum, the angular acceleration decreases. Is this true? If not, where did I go wrong?
[tex]\tau = I \cdot \alpha[/tex]

[tex]\tau=F \cdot r[/tex]

Then, [tex]\alpha = \frac{F \cdot r}{I} = \frac{F_g \cdot r}{mr^2}=\frac{g \cdot m \cdot r}{mr^2}=\frac{g}{r}[/tex], so if the distance "r" increases, angular acceleration decreases...did I do something wrong?
 
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Are you sure? Some people have told me that it's wrong, because I have to account for the mass of the seesaw.
 
It's not that it is wrong, it simply makes some assumptions. The formula you derived is for a point mass on a massless seesaw. If your seesaw is not light enough to approximate as massless or if your load is too large to be considered a point then your formula doesn't apply.
 
What if I cannot assume the masses are negligible? How would I derive that? And in that case, would angular acceleration increase?
 
Just include the rotational inertia of the seesaw as part of the total rotational inertia:
[tex]I_{total} = I_{seesaw} + mr^2 = 1/12 M L^2 + mr^2[/tex]
 

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