Does electromagnetic radiation occupy space ? How much?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around whether electromagnetic radiation occupies space and, if so, how much volume it occupies. Participants explore the implications of radiation's interaction with gravitational forces and the concept of energy density in relation to space-time distortion.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that anything occupying space distorts the space-time fabric and experiences gravitational force, suggesting that radiation occupies 'space' or 'volume'.
  • One participant rephrases the question of 'how much volume' to 'how much energy per volume', indicating that energy density of the electromagnetic field is relevant to understanding this relationship.
  • Another participant asserts that the entire universe is filled with electromagnetic radiation, implying a pervasive presence throughout space.
  • A follow-up question is raised regarding whether this means space-time is continuously distorted by radiation, to which a participant acknowledges the principle but notes that the gravitational coupling is weak and negligible in most cases.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying views on the nature of electromagnetic radiation's occupation of space and its effects on space-time. There is no consensus on the specifics of how much volume radiation occupies or the significance of its gravitational effects.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about the relationship between energy, gravity, and space-time distortion, which may depend on definitions of energy density and the nature of electromagnetic fields. The implications of these relationships remain unresolved.

Atyant.E
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Anything that occupies space creates a 'distortion' to a certain degree in the space time fabric and hence will experience gravitational force.And we know radiation does experience gravitation , this would directly imply that it occupies 'space' or 'volume' . The question now is .. how much volume ?
 
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Hi, Atryant.

Atyant.E said:
Anything that occupies space creates a 'distortion' to a certain degree in the space time fabric and hence will experience gravitational force.And we know radiation does experience gravitation , this would directly imply that it occupies 'space' or 'volume' . The question now is .. how much volume ?

Your question of 'How much volume' would be readdressed as 'How much energy per volume'. Because energy(-momentum) is source of gravity or distortion of space-time. Then part of the answer for energy is energy density of electromagnetic field, i.e. (ED + BH)/2 for every point of space.

Regards.
 
All of it. The entire universe is filled with electromagnetic radiation.
 
Bill_K said:
All of it. The entire universe is filled with electromagnetic radiation.

Does this mean that entire space-time gets, at least, infinitesimally distorted off an on at various points in time and space (by the radiation)?
 
San K said:
Does this mean that entire space-time gets, at least, infinitesimally distorted off an on at various points in time and space (by the radiation)?

In principle, sure. But the coupling to gravity is so weak that it is negligible in most if not all cases.
 

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