Does Energy Density Affect Gravitational Field Strength?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on whether energy density affects gravitational field strength, particularly comparing a low temperature neutron star and a white dwarf. Participants explore the implications of energy density, including thermal and electromagnetic energy, on gravitational fields, while excluding certain inherent impossibilities for the sake of the discussion.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions if energy density influences gravitational field strength, specifically in the context of comparing a neutron star and a white dwarf.
  • Another participant asserts that a hot object has slightly more gravity than an identical cold object.
  • A different participant argues that energy density, beyond its relation to mass-energy transformation, does not affect the gravitational field, citing Birkhoff's theorem which states that the exterior field remains unchanged regardless of density, as long as the total mass-energy is constant.
  • One participant acknowledges a misunderstanding regarding the qualifying phrase in the original question.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between energy density and gravitational field strength, with some supporting the idea that energy density has an effect and others contesting this notion based on theoretical principles. The discussion remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

The discussion involves assumptions about the nature of energy density and its effects on gravitational fields, as well as the implications of Birkhoff's theorem. There are unresolved aspects regarding the definitions of energy density and gravitational field strength in this context.

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This might sound like a dumb question but I wanted to know if energy density has an effect on the gravitational field, for instance say there are two masses of equal density, one say is a low temperature neutron star and another is a white dwarf (please exclude for now any impossibilities inherent in the situation for the purpose of answering the subject in question). would the white dwarf have a greater or lesser gravitational field by virtue of its higher energy density? Or is energy density (in terms of thermal or electromagnetic energy) have absolutely no effect on gravitational fields beyond the extent to which they imply the transformation from mass into energy. (therefore a reduction in the strength of the gravitational field as a function of time)
 
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Yes, a hot object will have slightly more gravity than an otherwise identical cold object.
 
DaleSpam, I think you missed the part where the OP said, "beyond the extent to which they imply the transformation from mass into energy." Since the question contains this qualifying phrase, I think the correct answer is no rather than yes.

Birkhoff's theorem says that if you expand or contract a spherically symmetric distribution of mass-energy, it has absolutely no effect on the exterior field, which is still a Schwarzschild field. That is, the density doesn't matter, only the total amount.
 
I did miss that qualifying phrase. Thanks for pointing it out.
 

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