Fukushima Does Fukushima change anything?

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The Fukushima disaster has sparked renewed debate on the safety and viability of nuclear power, with many arguing it highlights the need for improved reactor designs to withstand extreme natural events. While some believe that public fear may hinder nuclear energy's acceptance, others assert that nuclear remains a safer option compared to coal, despite the challenges in quantifying risks. The discussion emphasizes the importance of designing for worst-case scenarios and the need for a rational analysis of energy sources, including the economic implications of nuclear versus renewable options. There is concern that anti-nuclear activists may set unreasonably high safety standards, which could impede the industry's progress. Ultimately, the future of nuclear energy will depend on the lessons learned from Fukushima and the broader context of energy costs and safety.
  • #31
WhoWee said:
I agree the workers would react in a similar fashion. However, I asked a very specific question (my bold) - "would union leaders demand someone else do something? ".

Right, and my response was a kind way of saying that you're talking about apples and engine blocks... veeeery different. There is no US equivalent you can hold up, IMO because of the scale of the country and the ability to escape disaster. If you could make a similar model, I think you would have silence from union leaders, nobody else COULD do anything. This action in Japan is desperate, and there is no place to run; there are different bosses there, and they're ordering in the troops so to speak.

I'm afraid this just isn't a good example for your view of unions; people come together in a catastrophe that effects their whole country; nothing like that has happneed in the USA. Katrina was huge, but still if you lived away from the region and turned off your TV, it could be nonextistant to you. People can call for NOLA to be abandoned... a catastrophic release at Fukishima would harm EVERYTHING these people know and love.

You can't take a completely foreign experience and twist it into a meaningless hypothetical. What union leaders said in such a situation would be meaningless, and likely tailored to the inevitable response of the rank and file. Why protest when their own families and homes are ALSO on the line?
 
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  • #32
nismaratwork said:
Right, and my response was a kind way of saying that you're talking about apples and engine blocks... veeeery different. There is no US equivalent you can hold up, IMO because of the scale of the country and the ability to escape disaster. If you could make a similar model, I think you would have silence from union leaders, nobody else COULD do anything. This action in Japan is desperate, and there is no place to run; there are different bosses there, and they're ordering in the troops so to speak.

I'm afraid this just isn't a good example for your view of unions; people come together in a catastrophe that effects their whole country; nothing like that has happneed in the USA. Katrina was huge, but still if you lived away from the region and turned off your TV, it could be nonextistant to you. People can call for NOLA to be abandoned... a catastrophic release at Fukishima would harm EVERYTHING these people know and love.

You can't take a completely foreign experience and twist it into a meaningless hypothetical. What union leaders said in such a situation would be meaningless, and likely tailored to the inevitable response of the rank and file. Why protest when their own families and homes are ALSO on the line?

I think this is a perfect example. At the end of the day people will rise to the occasion and do the right thing. The idea that workers must be protected from the Government or large corporations falls apart under life and death circumstances.

As for (the flood that occurred AFTER the hurricane) Katrina (partly because local politicians chose to build a bridge with the money Bill Clinton gave them to secure the levees) - I'd like to engage in a thread exploring union behavior in the months (years now) that followed.
 
  • #33
WhoWee said:
I think this is a perfect example. At the end of the day people will rise to the occasion and do the right thing. The idea that workers must be protected from the Government or large corporations falls apart under life and death circumstances.

As for (the flood that occurred AFTER the hurricane) Katrina (partly because local politicians chose to build a bridge with the money Bill Clinton gave them to secure the levees) - I'd like to engage in a thread exploring union behavior in the months (years now) that followed.

Ooook, but I think you're barking up the wrong tree; this is not an exception to prove the rule, or visa versa. You're better than using this as a prop for an anti-union agenda.
 
  • #34
nismaratwork said:
Ooook, but I think you're barking up the wrong tree; this is not an exception to prove the rule, or visa versa. You're better than using this as a prop for an anti-union agenda.

At our current point in time this thread is speculative - accordingly, I'm speculating - label IMO please.
 
  • #35
WhoWee said:
At our current point in time this thread is speculative - accordingly, I'm speculating - label IMO please.

Speculation works, but when the speculation revolves around an impossible hypothetical with no bearing on the evolution of US society, including unions, its not even speculation, but just a bit of daydreaming.

I'd say the closest you'll get would be Police, Fire, and EMT unions, and their reaction to 9.11. It would appear that unions are more interested in doing their jobs, and only after the acute phase passes do they attempt to then get SOMETHING for the people exposed to lethal or harmful conditions.

That would be your best model.
 
  • #36
Borek said:
When it comes to panicking public not understanding the science behind - it will just add to the arsenal of demagogic arguments, but I would not classify them as new, they will play on the same old fears.
Panicking public? Not understanding science? What are you talking about?

CsDomUQ-fYM[/youtube] Clearly, B...h thing as magic. It's all smoke and mirrors.
 
  • #37
Gokul43201 said:
Panicking public? Not understanding science? What are you talking about?

CsDomUQ-fYM[/youtube] Clearly, B... why I don't respect the system... :rolleyes:
 
  • #38
nismaratwork said:
She is so damned obnoxious... and to think she was a prosecutor.

...And the judge for jury duty had to ask why I don't respect the system... :rolleyes:

i would go further and say she's evil. i just can't stand to watch her. i don't think I've ever seen her entertain a presumption of innocence on any accused. they should probably not allow crime victims to be prosecutors.
 
  • #39
Proton Soup said:
i would go further and say she's evil. i just can't stand to watch her. i don't think I've ever seen her entertain a presumption of innocence on any accused. they should probably not allow crime victims to be prosecutors.

That might not be a bad notion... I don't really believe in evil, but she's more than a little deranged.
 
  • #40
Unbelievable, absolutely unbelievable. What is disturbing is that someone like her has the voice that she has. I’m aware of the dubious nature of drawing comparisons like this, but it seems to me that someone like her would never be allowed to anchor a news program in the UK. UK news agencies are almost obsessive about the neutrality of their newsreaders. The newsreaders deliver the news with gravity, with dispassion and with authority and never, ever comment. Certainly never demonstrate their own ignorance in the way that she does here. The problem with this comes when she has some important local news story to deliver, her authority is totally undermined.
 
  • #41
Gokul43201 said:
Panicking public? Not understanding science? What are you talking about?

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I am typingless.
 
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  • #42
Borek said:
[URL]http://www.bpp.com.pl/IMG/faint.gif[/URL]

I am typingless.

Did Jerry Brown really declare an emergency in California?
 
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  • #43
Borek said:
[URL]http://www.bpp.com.pl/IMG/faint.gif[/URL]

I am typingless.

That's actually pretty sane by her standards...

She and Glenn Beck should be locked in a small dark room with a rabid weasel, and night vision cameras watching.


Now that would be TV worth watching.
 
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  • #44
WhoWee said:
Did Jerry Brown really declare an emergency in California?

http://www.sfexaminer.com/local/bay-area/2011/03/jerry-brown-declares-state-emergency-four-counties-after-tsunami-strikes

It would seem that he did so in four counties that were hit by large waves, and unrelated to nuclear fears.
 
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  • #45
nismaratwork said:
She and Glenn Beck should be locked in a small dark room with a rabid weasel, and night vision cameras watching.


Now that would be TV worth watching.
That would be a short video. She would kill Beck and the weasel within 5 min.
 
  • #46
Al68 said:
That would be a short video. She would kill Beck and the weasel within 5 min.

Then make it a dozen rabid wolverines... remember, she only needs to be bitten...
 
  • #47
nismaratwork said:
Then make it a dozen rabid wolverines... remember, she only needs to be bitten...
You seriously think she's susceptible to rabies?
 
  • #48
OMG this is so far off topic, but I do know of a few possible raccoons I could toss into the mix.
 
  • #49
Gokul43201 said:
Panicking public? Not understanding science? What are you talking about?

CsDomUQ-fYM[/youtube] Clearly, B...News Channel altogether... or sell it to Fox!
 
  • #50
Ivan Seeking said:
No doubt, CNN Headline News is garbage. Nancy Grace is a nut.

Not to be confused with the main CNN News Channel, but a huge black mark for CNN to be sure. They should just kill the Headline News Channel altogether... or sell it to Fox!

What I LOVE is Jane Valez-Mitchel... OK, I think she stinks, but she tries to out-Nancy Grace Nancy Grace... which is a bit like trying to out-murder Stalin. :rolleyes:

What's so amazing about Grace is that she's not acting, like Beck, she's just an emotional husk and an intellectual wasteland.
 
  • #51
hypatia said:
OMG this is so far off topic, but I do know of a few possible raccoons I could toss into the mix.

Keep that .22 holstered! :wink:
 
  • #52
Al68 said:
You seriously think she's susceptible to rabies?

:smile:


She seems like some form of rodent... or maybe a really permanantly angry crocodilian so maybe not.


@Borek: Amen to that brother.
 
  • #53
nismaratwork said:
What I LOVE is Jane Valez-Mitchel... OK, I think she stinks, but she tries to out-Nancy Grace Nancy Grace... which is a bit like trying to out-murder Stalin. :rolleyes:

What's so amazing about Grace is that she's not acting, like Beck, she's just an emotional husk and an intellectual wasteland.

That video ticked me off so much that I fired off a very nasty letter to CNN. I think people like Blitzer do a respectable job, but someone like Grace disgraces the entire organization. I stopped watching Headline News long ago and didn't realize how bad it had gotten.

I'm sure it was my letter that got Rick Sanchez fired. My letter about Grace was even worse, much worse, so don't worry about; I handled things. She's history. :biggrin:
 
  • #54
Ivan Seeking said:
That video ticked me off so much that I fired off a very nasty letter to CNN. I think people like Blitzer do a respectable job, but someone like Grace disgraces the entire organization. I stopped watching Headline News long ago and didn't realize how bad it had gotten.

I'm sure it was my letter that got Rick Sanchez fired. My letter about Grace was even worse, much worse, so don't worry about; I handled things. She's history. :biggrin:

Heh... oh Rick "Tase me, Tweet me!" Sanchez... what the hell were they thinking?

Spitzer, now that was a real "get" for CNN, but Piers Morgan? Que El Explativiedeleted!
 
  • #55
Ivan Seeking said:
Not to be confused with the main CNN News Channel, but a huge black mark for CNN to be sure. They should just kill the Headline News Channel altogether... or sell it to Fox!
They did drop the "CNN" bit from their name a few years ago, when they morphed into HLN. At least for the sake of appearances, they are no longer sister stations.

Edit: More here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HLN_(TV_channel)

PS: Sorry for the derailment. Hope we can bring this back on topic.
 
  • #56
nismaratwork said:
Heh... oh Rick "Tase me, Tweet me!" Sanchez... what the hell were they thinking?

Kyra Phillips is the next one on my list. I warned her to straighten up but she didn't listen.

Spitzer, now that was a real "get" for CNN,

Yes! Note that Parker is gone. It is now called In The Arena... I think.

Regarding the op, yes. Beyond a doubt, yes.

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