Does Heat Really Weaken Intermolecular Forces During Melting and Boiling?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of heat and its role in the processes of melting and boiling, specifically whether adding heat weakens intermolecular forces or if it simply increases the potential energy by separating particles against these forces. Participants explore the definitions of heat and temperature, the implications of energy input, and the behavior of particles at different temperatures.

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  • Some participants propose that adding heat during melting or boiling does not weaken intermolecular forces but rather separates particles, increasing their potential energy.
  • Others argue that the terms heat and temperature are often confused, with heat being a form of energy and temperature relating to the distribution of energy levels among particles.
  • A participant suggests that the phrase 'weakens the intermolecular forces' implies a misunderstanding of the electromagnetic interactions at play, emphasizing that higher temperatures increase the likelihood of finding molecules with higher energy.
  • Another participant asserts that increasing temperature generally increases the average distance between particles in most systems, although exceptions exist, and clarifies that heat is not uniquely defined.
  • One participant challenges the phrasing of energy acting "against" intermolecular forces, suggesting that energy input can increase both kinetic and potential energy, and discusses the relationship between force and distance in the context of harmonic oscillators.
  • A later reply acknowledges a misunderstanding regarding the context of phase transitions in the initial question.

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Participants express differing views on the relationship between heat, temperature, and intermolecular forces, indicating that multiple competing perspectives remain without a consensus on the matter.

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The discussion highlights the complexity of defining heat and temperature, the nuances of energy transfer during phase transitions, and the varying interpretations of how intermolecular forces are affected by energy input.

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Is it a misconception that adding heat into a system during melting or boiling weakens the intermolecular forces? Isn't it more appropriate to say that it separates the particles against their intermolecular forces, increasing their potential energy?
 
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You're using the word heat and temperature interchangeably, and this is very very incorrect. Temperature refers to the way a system of particles are distributed among some set of energy levels or states, heat is a form of energy.

As far as your actual question, I don't see how the two statements really differ.
 
I think Mohammed is saying that the phrase 'weakens the intermolecular forces' implies some kind of shielding of the electromagnetic field. This is not true (as I'm sure he knows). What's really going on, is that adding heat to the system will cause the temperature to increase. And the probability to find a molecule with a certain energy will be something like:
\exp(-E/T)
so, at higher temperatures, it is not uncommon to find the molecules with high energy. At very low temperatures, you will very rarely find a molecule with high energy.
 
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It is not a misconception that increasing temperature increases the equilibrium (average) distance in almost all (atomic/molecular) systems. It is a generalization. It has exceptions.
Bruce! Temperature remains constant at primary phase transition!
Heat is a term which is not uniquely defined. It is the (net) flow of energy as used most often, although it also commonly refers to certain types of energy, such as 'that which is not work', or 'that which is available to do work'.
The relationship between distance and force between two unbonded atoms is a curve which is extremely repulsive (call that positive) at very close distances, decreases towards zero and then increases again to a secondary (local) maxima before declining monotonically as distance increases to ∞. The local minima is the equilibrium state (more or less). MOST materials (but not all) expand when heated. If I add heat to an explosive, do I increase its potential energy?
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I don't think many would prefer your phrase " [heat] separates the particles against their intermolecular forces, increasing their potential energy". It doesn't capture the meaning very well at all. Heat is not a force, so this sentence suggesting that energy acts "against" a force is awkward.
Energy input into a system (via heating) by definition either increases kinetic energy or increases potential energy (or both, in some systems the separation of energy into P.E. and K.E. is impossible) So, of course heat added to a system increases potential energy in the system (keeping velocities constant). It is the rest of the statement that is a problem. If you are familiar with a harmonic oscillator then you should understand that force is instantaneous, and that increasing the period increases the energy (and so the rms force) so while the force at certain instants is actually HIGHER than at lower frequency, the distance is also increased on average.
 
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oh yeah. Thanks, slow. For some reason, I answered the question for what happens when not at a phase transition.
 

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