Does High Energy Radiation Sting?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the sensations associated with exposure to high energy radiation, particularly in the context of a laboratory experiment involving beta and possibly alpha radiation. Participants explore personal experiences, theoretical implications, and safety concerns related to radiation exposure.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes feeling a "needle-like sting" during an experiment with a radiation source, questioning whether this sensation was real or a placebo effect.
  • Another participant notes that while the body is continuously bombarded by radiation, the sensation of stinging would likely only occur at significantly higher levels of exposure.
  • A reference is made to a historical incident involving radiation exposure, where individuals reported physical sensations during a critical reaction, suggesting that intense radiation can produce noticeable effects.
  • Concerns are raised about the safety protocols in place for handling radiation sources, with one participant arguing that if a source was strong enough to be felt, it should not be present in a school lab.
  • Discussion includes the varying penetrative abilities of different types of radiation (alpha, beta, gamma) and their potential effects on the human body.
  • A personal account of radiation therapy is shared, describing the sensations experienced during treatment, which adds to the discussion on how radiation can affect bodily sensations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the ability to feel radiation and the implications of such sensations. There is no consensus on whether the sensations described are valid or if they indicate a dangerous level of exposure. Safety concerns regarding the handling of radiation sources are also contested.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the complexity of radiation exposure and its effects, but there are unresolved questions about the thresholds for sensation and the safety measures in place during laboratory experiments.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to students and educators in physics and radiation safety, as well as individuals curious about the effects of radiation on human perception and safety protocols in laboratory settings.

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I was doing my casual tuesday experiments class. Me and my 2 "coworkers" were given the task of creating a function that gives radiation as a function of distance. I was given a sample in a black box, the rest of my team was on the sensors. I took it out and it said "Do not handle unless out of absolute neccesity" I had no tools to hold it so I used my hands. In the manual book it said it emotted beta and i think rays too and I thought I fealt little stings during the experiment. I would feel a needle like sting from time to time.

I am not sure if I was having a placeebo effect, or if it was something else. Or if it was rays hitting something in my nervous system, triggering a "sting".

Tl;dr: what does high energy radiation feel like?
 
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Jarfi said:
I was doing my casual tuesday experiments class. Me and my 2 "coworkers" were given the task of creating a function that gives radiation as a function of distance. I was given a sample in a black box, the rest of my team was on the sensors. I took it out and it said "Do not handle unless out of absolute neccesity" I had no tools to hold it so I used my hands. In the manual book it said it emotted beta and i think rays too and I thought I fealt little stings during the experiment. I would feel a needle like sting from time to time.

I am not sure if I was having a placeebo effect, or if it was something else. Or if it was rays hitting something in my nervous system, triggering a "sting".

Tl;dr: what does high energy radiation feel like?

Right now, as you are reading this, your body is being bombarded by radiation (beta, muon, etc.) Are you feeling the sting continuously?

Zz.
 
ZapperZ said:
Right now, as you are reading this, your body is being bombarded by radiation (beta, muon, etc.) Are you feeling the sting continuously?

Zz.


Maybe i would if the radiation was exponentially higher and I was taking in a high amount of alpha and beta rays.
 
Jarfi said:
Maybe i would if the radiation was exponentially higher and I was taking in a high amount of alpha and beta rays.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_Slotin

In particular:

At 3:20 p.m., the screwdriver slipped and the upper beryllium hemisphere fell, causing a "prompt critical" reaction and a burst of hard radiation.[9] At the time, the scientists in the room observed the blue glow of air ionization and felt a heat wave. In addition Slotin experienced a sour taste in his mouth and an intense burning sensation in his left hand. Slotin jerked his left hand upward, lifting the upper beryllium hemisphere and dropping it to the floor, ending the reaction. However, he had already been exposed to a lethal dose of neutron radiation.[1] At the time of the accident, dosimetry badges were in a locked box about 100 feet from the accident. Realizing that no one in the room had their film badges on, "Immediately after the accident Dr. Slotin asked to have the badges taken from the lead box and placed on the critical assembly".[14] This peculiar response was attributed to "vertigo" and was of no value for determining the actual doses received by the men in the room.[14]
 
Jarfi said:
Maybe i would if the radiation was exponentially higher and I was taking in a high amount of alpha and beta rays.

And you think this is what you got from your lab sources?

Here's a hint: if your lab sources has a high enough radiation that you can "feel" it, it shouldn't be in there in the first place and your school has violated a number of safety protocol.

If human beings can actually detect radiations, we won't need radiation detectors, and those people who went into Chernobyl would have detected that they were receiving lethal doses of radiation. And I can bet you, what they received was nowhere near what your lab sources are giving out.

Zz.
 
Whatever knowledge cannot provide, fear will fill it in.

Alpha radiation (helium nuclei) are generally the least penetrating of the human body, but breathing high concentrations of radon is not recommended.
Beta radiation is electrons, so it has difficulty penetrating a metal box. X-rays are usually higher energy than most beta decay, but don't count on it!
Gamma radiation is the most penetrating type of nuclear decay process.

When the radiotherapist rotated the holes to expose my upper thorax to the Cobalt 60 source as a treatment for a Hodgkin's lymphoma on the side of my neck in 1980, all of the moisture evaporated from the inside of my esophagus, and the sensation was something like swallowing a mothball (no idea what chemicals were produced).

Only 45 seconds exposure twice a week for 6 weeks, 3 X One time lethal dosage total.

Be very careful with exposure to ionizing radiation. They can save your life, but only in the hands of someone who knows what they are doing.
 

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