Does larger Champagne bottle = more pressure inside?

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between the size of a champagne bottle and the pressure inside it. Participants explore whether a larger bottle, such as a 9L bottle, has a different internal pressure compared to a standard 750mL bottle, considering factors like fermentation and energy storage.

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  • One participant questions if the pressure increases with bottle size, noting that a standard 750mL bottle has about 6 atmospheres of pressure.
  • Another participant suggests that the pressure remains about the same regardless of bottle size, attributing pressure development to fermentation processes.
  • A different viewpoint states that while pressure may be independent of volume, a larger bottle contains more energy due to the expanding CO2, which could be harnessed in a different context.
  • Concerns are raised about the safety of sabrage, emphasizing that the pressure on the cork is the same in both bottle sizes until the cork is removed.
  • One participant humorously comments on the potential dangers of sabrage in a crowded setting, highlighting the dramatic nature of the act.

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Participants express differing views on whether the pressure inside larger champagne bottles differs from smaller ones, indicating that there is no consensus on this topic.

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Participants reference fermentation as a factor in pressure development but do not provide detailed calculations or definitions, leaving some assumptions and dependencies unresolved.

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Hello All,

It's been awhile since I've had to do these calculations, and this might be more of a Gen Chem question, but I thought I'd post it here as well and see the group's feedback.

A standard (750mL) bottle of champagne has roughly 6 atmospheres (~90psi) of pressure inside.
Does this pressure increase (or does it stay the same) if the bottle is much larger?

The reason I'm asking is that my wife (who is in the wine business) has become quite adept at sabring regular champagne bottles. However, she's going to sabre a 9L bottle tonight and I was just wondering if this (much) larger bottle has more pressure inside, or is it just a larger bottle with the same amount of pressure?

I have found some information here regarding CO2 (dissolved and gaseous):

http://www.wpi.edu/Academics/Depts/Chemistry/Courses/General/concep10.html

...example 10-9.

...but, as I mentioned previously, haven't done these kind of calculations in awhile and am a little lost.

Any thoughts and the reasons behind them?

Thanks,

J.
 
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My thought is that it will be about the same pressure. The pressure inside is developed from the continued fermentation of the champagne in the bottle.

What difference would the fermentation be if the champagne was in one big 9L bottle or 12 smaller 750mL bottles?
 
The pressure is independent of the volume but there would be much more Energy stored in a larger bottle. If you were to use this energy (the expanding CO2) to drive a small engine of some sort then you would get proportionally more energy out.

But, as far as what happens to the cork plus the glass neck, the pressure on the cork from the inside is only there whilst the cork is attached and it's the same in both cases. Once the cork comes off, the pressure is dissipated elsewhere. So I can't see that there would be any extra Kinetic Energy imparted to the flying top. In fact, I think the energy would largely come from the heavy sabre, moving at speed.
It seems to me to be a flashy trick that is actually very safe as long as you don't cut yourself on the glass on the glass or the flying bit. Napoleon, who was reputed to have invented the trick, was keen on dramatic gestures!
 
sophiecentaur said:
It seems to me to be a flashy trick that is actually very safe as long as you don't cut yourself on the glass on the glass or the flying bit.
Or, you know, the whole swinging a 3 foot sword in a crowded room of guests... :rolleyes:
 

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