Does matter convert to photons only?

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The discussion centers around the conversion of matter to energy, specifically whether all particles can ultimately be converted to photons through various processes. Participants explore theoretical implications, conservation laws, and specific examples of particle interactions.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions if all quarks and particles can be converted to photons, emphasizing the need for a definitive answer.
  • Another participant explains that while matter can transform and release energy as photons, elementary particles with mass cannot decay into photons due to conservation laws related to charge and color.
  • A participant notes that while a single charged particle cannot decay into a photon, a charged particle and its antiparticle can annihilate to produce photons, maintaining charge conservation.
  • Concerns are raised about the context of E=mc², with a participant stating that not all conversions between energy and matter occur frequently or in all scenarios.
  • Questions arise regarding whether any particles, such as neutrinos or anti-quarks, would not produce photons upon meeting their antiparticles.
  • Another participant inquires if two photons can combine to create a proton and an anti-proton, expressing confusion about photon interactions.
  • Some posts reflect frustration with the level of discourse, suggesting a lack of civility and understanding among participants.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the conversion of matter to photons, with no consensus reached on whether all particles can ultimately be converted to photons or the mechanisms involved. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference various conservation laws, including charge and color, but do not resolve the implications of these laws on particle interactions. There are also mentions of the complexity of the topic and the need for further understanding of fundamental particle physics.

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When matter is turned to energy does this mean that all the quarks and other particles are converted to photons?

I want to know if all particles can end up as photons (by any process at all).

Its important to me to know this.

Please answer only if you know the real answer without obfuscating or bluffing.
No half answers that disguise lack of a true answer.
 
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Welcome to PhysicsForums, HeisenbergSon!

I see you asked a similar question recently. The short answer is that while matter can morph from one form to another - and release energy as photons in the process, elementary particles with mass cannot decay into photons. The reason has to do with conservation of charge, color, etc. Photons do not carry either.

For example: for an electron to decay, it would need to get rid of its charge of -1/2. Photons do not supply a way for that to happen, although they would conceptually provide a channel to carry off the mass of the electron. Similarly, a neutron has a net charge of 0 but it is has charge components and therefore cannot degrade into photons.

Just as a side note: if you want to get answers here, there is no need to provide caveats as to who answers. This is a great place to come to work through your questions.
 
So e does not equal mc squared for charged particles?
 
A single charged particle may not be able to decay into a photon but a charged particle along with its antiparticle can decay as evidenced,for example,with electron positron annihilation where, in the majority of cases, two photons are produced.Charge is conserved because the total charge before and after is zero.
 
HeisenbergSon said:
So e does not equal mc squared for charged particles?

You have to have context when you talk about formulas like E=mc^2. Just because there is a conversion between energy and matter does not mean that the conversion happens all the time. As stated earlier, the ways particles can be converted strictly into light are not numerous. In fact, the methods are few and far between. If you put two protons next to each other, do you think they'll annihilate into pure light? No. How about a proton and electron? Well, the sum of the electric charges are 0 which means having the release of charge-less photons sounds OK... but that isn't the whole story. There are other conservation laws that must be obeyed.
 
Dadface said:
A single charged particle may not be able to decay into a photon but a charged particle along with its antiparticle can decay as evidenced,for example,with electron positron annihilation where, in the majority of cases, two photons are produced.Charge is conserved because the total charge before and after is zero.

Excellent note! He did ask "by any process at all"...
 
Is there any particle at all that would not make photons when it meets its anti-particle?
neutrino? anti-quarks? What about any very unusual particle?

Sorry to come at an odd angle on this one...
 
Is it too much to ask if two photons can combine to make a proton and an anti-proton?
I never heard of photons 'colliding' with each other since there is nothing to collide...
 
A number of messages reflecting a personal theory have been removed from this thread. Please, let's keep this on topic and consistent with the PF Rules on overly speculative posts.
 
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HeisenbergSon said:
Is it too much to ask if two photons can combine to make a proton and an anti-proton?
I never heard of photons 'colliding' with each other since there is nothing to collide...

You would probably be well served to study some of literature on fundamental particles so you can fill in your knowledge in this area. It is pretty clear you are at an early point in your understanding of charge, color (strong force), mass, weak force, etc. If you read up some more and then ask questions, you will probably benefit. Learning a little of the history of the development of modern quantum field theory would help as well. Many of the developments can be better understood by the order in which they were discovered.
 
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Looks like a bluffers forum here...a bit like string theory was.
 
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HeisenbergSon said:
Looks like a bluffers forum here...

I would say that is uncalled for. If you don't know what you don't know, no one can help you. And no one will want to help someone who is not civil.

You are asking about the conversion of matter into energy. That is a pretty big area to cover and some physicists spend their entire career working in labs where this is the primary objective. That is what the CERN, LHC and FermiLab teams are doing, for example. Hence, there is a lot of active research going on which is available for your review.

I would suggest you look at what others have already done as an avenue to build your understanding. That is an expedient way to learn.
 

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