Does Pure Rolling Exclude Kinetic Friction?

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The discussion revolves around the concepts of friction in the context of pure rolling motion, particularly focusing on whether friction is zero or static when an object begins to roll without slipping on a rough surface.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the nature of friction during pure rolling, questioning the distinction between static friction and zero friction at the point of contact. They discuss scenarios involving external forces and the role of static friction in different contexts, such as rolling on an incline or during acceleration.

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Some participants have offered insights into the nature of static friction and its role in rolling motion, while others are questioning the implications of kinetic friction and its relationship to slipping versus pure rolling. Multiple interpretations of friction's behavior in these scenarios are being explored.

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There is an ongoing discussion about the definitions and implications of different types of friction, including static and kinetic friction, as well as the concept of rolling friction. Participants are considering how these concepts apply under various conditions, such as acceleration and surface interactions.

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Is friction always zero when pure rolling has begun? Or is it static? Is there a difference between saying static friction at the point of contact and zero friction at the point of contact at the time when pure rolling has begun? That is of course for a rough surface on which the object is rolling.
 
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The friction is static during pure rolling, and the force of static friction Fs≤μN.

Fs=0 during free rolling on horizontal surface, but different from zero when other external force acts, for example, when rolling on an incline.

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Static fiction is there for a rolling object, but does no work unless the object is being accelerated, and then static friction comes into play (think about situations such as a car accelerating or braking, or being shoved sideways while the car travels straight ahead). The magnitude of the static friction force depends upon external forces acting to try to accelerate the object.

There's another type of friction called rolling friction which is separate from the kinetic or static versions. It's a friction that manifests due to deformation of the surfaces in contact. Think about the way a car tire flexes out-of-round as it rolls. The flexing consumes energy (which is why car tires become warm as you drive). The surface on which an object rolls may also be deformed by the weight of the object. In such a case the object is effectively always rolling out of a small depression as it moves along.
 
gneill said:
Static fiction is there for a rolling object, but does no work unless the object is being accelerated, and then static friction comes into play.

Doesn't Kinetic Friction come into play then?
 
andyrk said:
Doesn't Kinetic Friction come into play then?

Kinetic friction comes into play during slipping. Pure rolling excludes slipping.

ehild
 

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