Does Relativistic Kinetic Energy Increase with Velocity?

  • Context: Graduate 
  • Thread starter Thread starter accountkiller
  • Start date Start date
  • Tags Tags
    Relativistic
Click For Summary

Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of relativistic kinetic energy, particularly how it behaves as velocity approaches the speed of light. Participants explore the implications of a scenario involving a proton accelerated by a constant force and the relationship between distance traveled and kinetic energy gained at different velocities.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes a statement from a book that "relativistic kinetic energy becomes infinite as v approaches c," and questions how this relates to a problem where the kinetic energy gained over a distance remains the same at different speeds.
  • Another participant points out that there is a linear relationship between distance and kinetic energy according to the work-kinetic energy theorem, while the relationship with velocity is nonlinear.
  • A different participant emphasizes that the phrase "the answer is the same" does not imply that kinetic energy never increases, but rather that it increases by the same amount in both scenarios presented in the problem.
  • One participant reiterates the initial confusion regarding the relationship between increasing velocity and kinetic energy, seeking clarification on the apparent contradiction.
  • Another participant provides a formula for the variation of kinetic energy, suggesting that it relates to the work done on the particle.
  • One participant asserts that if the force is constant, then the work done (and thus the energy gained) over a distance must also be constant.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing interpretations of how kinetic energy behaves under relativistic conditions, with some suggesting that kinetic energy increases consistently while others highlight specific scenarios where it does not. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of constant force on kinetic energy at relativistic speeds.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference a specific problem involving a proton and constant force, which may depend on assumptions about the nature of the force and the relativistic effects at high velocities. The discussion does not resolve the mathematical steps involved in the kinetic energy calculations.

accountkiller
Messages
118
Reaction score
0
So, there is a sentence in my book, along with a graph, stating that "relativistic kinetic energy becomes infinite as v approaches c."

But then in a concept problem, it says "A proton is accelerated from rest by a constant force that always points in the direction of the particle's motion. Compared to the amount of kinetic energy that the proton gains during the first meter of its travel, how much kinetic energy does it gain during one meter of travel while it's moving at 99% of the speed of light"

The answer is the same, it says, because there is no change in kinetic energy since there is constant force. But I thought since the first statement above said that kinetic energy --> infinity as v -- c... means that as v increases, KE increases, right? But that is not so in the problem.

Could someone explain why this is so?
Thanks!
 
Physics news on Phys.org
There are three variables, x, v, and K (kinetic energy). There is a linear relationship between x and K (by the work-kinetic energy theorem). There is a nonlinear relationship between these variables and v.
 
mbradar2 said:
The answer is the same, it says, because there is no change in kinetic energy since there is constant force. But I thought since the first statement above said that kinetic energy --> infinity as v -- c... means that as v increases, KE increases, right? But that is not so in the problem.
The phrase "the answer is the same" doesn't say that the energy never increases, only that it increases by the same amount in both scenarios. (I haven't thought about the actual problem yet, so I'm just commenting on what seems to be a misinterpretation of what you read).
 
mbradar2 said:
So, there is a sentence in my book, along with a graph, stating that "relativistic kinetic energy becomes infinite as v approaches c."

But then in a concept problem, it says "A proton is accelerated from rest by a constant force that always points in the direction of the particle's motion. Compared to the amount of kinetic energy that the proton gains during the first meter of its travel, how much kinetic energy does it gain during one meter of travel while it's moving at 99% of the speed of light"

The answer is the same, it says, because there is no change in kinetic energy since there is constant force. But I thought since the first statement above said that kinetic energy --> infinity as v -- c... means that as v increases, KE increases, right? But that is not so in the problem.

Could someone explain why this is so?
Thanks!

You can find the answer to your problem https://www.physicsforums.com/blog.php?b=1928 . The answer is :

[tex]\Delta W =m_0c^2(\gamma(v)-1)[/tex] which also happens to be (by definition) the variation of the kinetic energy of the particle.
 
Last edited by a moderator:
mbradar2 said:
"A proton is accelerated from rest by a constant force that always points in the direction of the particle's motion. Compared to the amount of kinetic energy that the proton gains during the first meter of its travel, how much kinetic energy does it gain during one meter of travel while it's moving at 99% of the speed of light"
Work equals force times distance, so if the force is the same then the energy/distance is the same.
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 102 ·
4
Replies
102
Views
7K
  • · Replies 55 ·
2
Replies
55
Views
6K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
3K
  • · Replies 15 ·
Replies
15
Views
1K
  • · Replies 8 ·
Replies
8
Views
2K
  • · Replies 16 ·
Replies
16
Views
2K
  • · Replies 62 ·
3
Replies
62
Views
7K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
1K
  • · Replies 25 ·
Replies
25
Views
2K
  • · Replies 58 ·
2
Replies
58
Views
6K