Does RMS(f1) +RMS(F2) = RMS(F1+F2)?

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between the root mean square (RMS) of individual waveforms and the RMS of their sum, particularly in the context of non-periodic waveforms. Participants explore the implications of averaging RMS values over cycles versus calculating the RMS of the entire waveform.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether averaging the RMS of three cycles of a non-periodic waveform is equivalent to taking the RMS of all cycles at once.
  • Another participant asserts that the relationship does not hold true in general, providing a specific example with two functions where the individual RMS values do not equal the RMS of their sum.
  • A third participant inquires about how to define the size of a cycle in a non-periodic signal.
  • A later reply suggests that for non-periodic signals, one must determine average rates to compute RMS, mentioning the necessity of using a frequency counter for random pulses.
  • This participant also discusses the nature of current as a stream of electrons, emphasizing the randomness at a microscopic level and the concept of average current.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement regarding the relationship between the RMS values, with no consensus reached on the validity of averaging RMS values for non-periodic waveforms.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the challenges in defining cycles for non-periodic signals and the need for specific methods to calculate RMS in such cases, indicating potential limitations in assumptions about periodicity.

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If I hava non periodic waveform and I divide it into 3 cycles is taking the RMS of each cycle and averaging the same thing as taking the RMS of all 3 cycles at once?
 
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In general this is not true.

Let f1(t)=1 and and f2(t)=-1

rms(f1)=1
rms(f2)=1
rms(f1+f2)=0
 
Just out of curiosity, if the signal is non-periodic, how did you determine how big a cycle is?
 
If it is non periodic, you need to find the average rates to do RMS calculation. That is if you have a random pulses, you need to use a frequency counter and find the pulse rate, then you can use the amplitude to get the RMS amplitude.

I did a lot of pulse counting work, they are random, just like current, it is not steady in microscopic level, we say it is 1A only because in average there are so many electrons part a point per second and we use that as the average current...Yes, current is a stream of electrons passing in a random rate.
 

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