Does someone weigh more on a steel ship?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around whether a person would weigh more on a steel ship compared to standing on solid ground. It explores concepts of gravity, density, and the effects of surrounding mass, with a focus on theoretical implications and gravitational variations.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that being on a steel ship, which is less dense than the water it displaces, could result in a person weighing slightly less due to the reduced mass beneath them compared to solid ground.
  • Others argue that gravitational anomalies can occur near massive objects, suggesting that the presence of the ship and its mass could affect local gravitational pull, but practical detection of such changes may be challenging.
  • A participant raises a hypothetical scenario where a person is in a steel structure below sea level, questioning how this would influence their weight due to the distribution of mass above them.
  • Another participant suggests that if the center of mass of the ship is below sea level, the individual would be lighter because the mass above them does not contribute to gravitational pull, although being closer to the Earth could make them slightly heavier.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the effects of density and mass distribution on weight, with no consensus reached on whether one would weigh more or less on a steel ship.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about density and gravitational effects that are not fully resolved, and the mathematical aspects of the problem are acknowledged as complex by some participants.

Johann1234
Say you were on a steel ship, standing on very thick steel. Would you technically weigh more? Would the gravity pull you down more?
 
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Since the ship is floating one can presume it is actually less dense overall than the water it displaces (since it floats partly above water) and thus there is actually less mass immediately below you than would be if you were standing on the ground (which is denser than the water). So you should actually be a wee bit lighter.
 
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Gravitational Anomalies are detectable all over the place, where there is a particularly massive object in the vicinity. Mountains, containing a lot of dense materials will deflect a plumb bob significantly. But I think you'd find it hard, in practice, to detect a change of local g unless the object in question was a good few thousand tonnes and quite close, although, G has been measured using very large lumps of metal and a torsion balance. (http://www.physics.arizona.edu/~haar/ADV_LAB/BIG_G.pdf)
 
jambaugh said:
Since the ship is floating one can presume it is actually less dense overall than the water it displaces (since it floats partly above water) and thus there is actually less mass immediately below you than would be if you were standing on the ground (which is denser than the water). So you should actually be a wee bit lighter.

But what if their center of mass was below sea level? I would imagine a person sitting in a 1 meter thick shelled steel pumpkin without an upper deck would be below the water line.

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ps. I'm afraid the maths involved in this problem look as though they are beyond my capabilities, so I'll not be helping solve this problem.

I would suggest though using the "Homework" template:

Homework Statement



Homework Equations



The Attempt at a Solution

pps. Looks like she's using duct tape to hold it together. Good for her!
 
OmCheeto said:
But what if their center of mass was below sea level?

Then you would also be lighter (for a constant Earth density) because the mass above you does not contribute the gravitational pull. The fact that water is much less dense than the Earth means that the fact you are closer to the Earth is more important and you're a wee bit heavier.
 
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