Does the Bohr model go against classical Electromagnetism

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the Bohr model of the atom and its relationship with classical electromagnetism (E&M). Participants explore whether the Bohr model adequately addresses the issue of energy emission by electrons in acceleration, particularly in the context of atomic structure versus classical scenarios like electrons in a wire.

Discussion Character

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  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about how the Bohr model resolves the issue of energy emission by electrons, questioning whether classical E&M theories are incorrect or if the atomic understanding is incomplete.
  • Another participant notes that the Bohr model serves as an intermediate step between classical E&M and quantum mechanics, suggesting that it does not fully explain the phenomena involved.
  • A later reply indicates that quantum mechanics provides a basic explanation for energy emission, stating that an atom must drop to a lower energy state to emit energy, while electrons in a wire behave differently.
  • There is a mention that for a complete explanation, quantum field theory would be necessary, implying limitations in the Bohr model and basic quantum mechanics.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on whether the Bohr model adequately addresses the issues raised. Multiple competing views remain regarding the applicability of classical E&M to atomic behavior and the sufficiency of quantum mechanics in explaining energy emission.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in the Bohr model and the need for further theoretical frameworks, such as quantum field theory, to fully understand the behavior of electrons in different contexts.

Moazin Khatri
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I was told in high school that Rutherford's atomic model was wrong because an electron which is in acceleration must release energy. That's how electromagnetic waves are made. and then I was told that Bohr gave his model and solved this problem. By making energy quantized. But what I really don't understand is how this solves the problem ... Yes it would surely tell us why hydrogen atom gives line spectrum but it doesn't tell us why electron doesn't emit energy. It means either electromagnetic theories are wrong or our understanding of atom is incomplete. In the bohr model, we have an electron which has some mass and revolves around nucleus. It is indeed under acceleration and if we apply electromagnetism it should release energy. I'm sorry if my picture is incomplete or wrong but that's what i was taught. You're more than welcome to correct me and answer me . I'll be grateful to you if you help me clear my concept.
 
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Moazin Khatri said:
I was told in high school that Rutherford's atomic model was wrong because an electron which is in acceleration must release energy. That's how electromagnetic waves are made. and then I was told that Bohr gave his model and solved this problem. By making energy quantized. But what I really don't understand is how this solves the problem ... Yes it would surely tell us why hydrogen atom gives line spectrum but it doesn't tell us why electron doesn't emit energy. It means either electromagnetic theories are wrong or our understanding of atom is incomplete. In the bohr model, we have an electron which has some mass and revolves around nucleus. It is indeed under acceleration and if we apply electromagnetism it should release energy. I'm sorry if my picture is incomplete or wrong but that's what i was taught. You're more than welcome to correct me and answer me . I'll be grateful to you if you help me clear my concept.

The Bohr model was an intermediate step between classical E&M and quantum mechanics.

Other than saying "classical E&M does not apply here" the Bohr model did not give a complete explanation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bohr_model
 
Dr. Courtney said:
The Bohr model was an intermediate step between classical E&M and quantum mechanics.

Other than saying "classical E&M does not apply here" the Bohr model did not give a complete explanation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bohr_model
Thanks. Does Quantum mechanics provide a complete explanation as to why electrons do release energy when they are under acceleration in a wire and why they do not when they are in an atom?
 
For a complete explanation, you need quantum field theory. But for a simple answer, basic quantum mechanics is enough. For an atom to emit, it needs to drop to a lower energy state. The ground state is the lowest energy state, so an atom in the ground state can't emit. The lowest energy state of a wire is one in which the conduction band electrons aren't moving.
 

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