Does This Cayley Table Accurately Represent the Dihedral Group \(D_6\)?

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The discussion revolves around the construction and accuracy of a Cayley table for the dihedral group \(D_6\). Participants are examining the properties of the group, specifically focusing on the relationships between rotations and reflections, as well as the structure of the table itself.

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  • Some participants attempt to create a Cayley table for \(D_6\), denoting rotations as \(r\) and reflections as \(f\).
  • One participant, Dan, points out that the subgroup \(\{e, r, r^2, r^3, r^4, r^5\}\) should not include any reflections, suggesting that some entries in the table should be \(e\) instead of \(f\).
  • Another participant emphasizes that the product of two reflections should yield a rotation, and that all reflections have order 2.
  • There are repeated corrections regarding the placement of \(f\) and \(e\) in the table, with participants noting that \(r\) and \(f\) do not commute, which affects the entries.
  • Participants express ongoing concerns about the accuracy of the table, indicating that it does not reflect the properties of \(D_6\) correctly.

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Participants generally disagree on the correctness of the Cayley table, with multiple competing views on how the entries should be structured. There is no consensus on the final form of the table, as corrections and suggestions continue to emerge.

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Limitations include unresolved mathematical steps regarding the placement of \(f\) and \(e\) in the table, as well as the implications of the non-commutativity of \(r\) and \(f\). The discussion reflects a complex interplay of group properties that remain to be fully clarified.

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This discussion may be useful for students and enthusiasts of group theory, particularly those interested in the dihedral groups and their properties.

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This is an attempt to create the Cayley table for dihedral group $D_6$:

$$\begin{aligned} \begin{array}{cc|c|c|c|}
* && e & r & r^2& r^3& r^4& r^5& f& rf& r^2f& r^3f& r^{4}f& r^{5}f\\
\\
\hline
e && e & r & r^2& r^3& r^4& r^5& f& rf& r^2f& r^3f& r^{4}f& r^{5}f \\
\hline
r && r & r^2 & r^3& r^4& r^5& f& rf& r^2f& r^3f& r^{4}f& r^{5}f & f \\
\hline
r^2 && r^2 & r^3& r^4& r^5& f& rf& r^2f& r^3f& r^{4}f& r^{5}f & f & rf \\
\hline
r^3 && r^3& r^4& r^5& f& rf& r^2f& r^3f& r^{4}f& r^{5}f & f & rf & r^2f \\
\hline
r^4 && r^4& r^5& f& rf& r^2f& r^3f& r^{4}f& r^{5}f & f & rf & r^2f & r^3f\\
\hline
r^5 && r^5& f& rf& r^2f& r^3f& r^{4}f& r^{5}f & f & rf & r^2f & r^3f &r^4f \\
\hline
f && f& rf& r^2f& r^3f& r^{4}f& r^{5}f & f & rf & r^2f & r^3f &r^4f & r^5f \\
\hline
rf && rf& r^2f& r^3f& r^{4}f& r^{5}f & f & rf & r^2f & r^3f &r^4f & r^5f &e \\
\hline
r^2f && r^2f& r^3f& r^{4}f& r^{5}f & f & rf & r^2f & r^3f &r^4f & r^5f &e & r\\
\hline
r^3f && r^3f& r^{4}f& r^{5}f & f & rf & r^2f & r^3f &r^4f & r^5f &e & r & rf \\
\hline
r^4f && r^{4}f& r^{5}f & f & rf & r^2f & r^3f &r^4f & r^5f &e & r & rf & r^2f \\
\hline
r^{5}f && r^{5}f & f & rf & r^2f & r^3f &r^4f & r^5f &e & r & rf & r^2f & r^3f \\
\hline
&& & &
\hline
\end{array} \end{aligned}$$

Is this how it should be done? $r$ denotes rotations and $f$ denotes reflections.
 
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Guest said:
This is an attempt to create the Cayley table for dihedral group $D_6$:

$$\begin{aligned} \begin{array}{cc|c|c|c|}
* && e & r & r^2& r^3& r^4& r^5& f& rf& r^2f& r^3f& r^{4}f& r^{5}f\\
\\
\hline
e && e & r & r^2& r^3& r^4& r^5& f& rf& r^2f& r^3f& r^{4}f& r^{5}f \\
\hline
r && r & r^2 & r^3& r^4& r^5& f& rf& r^2f& r^3f& r^{4}f& r^{5}f & f \\
\hline
r^2 && r^2 & r^3& r^4& r^5& f& rf& r^2f& r^3f& r^{4}f& r^{5}f & f & rf \\
\hline
r^3 && r^3& r^4& r^5& f& rf& r^2f& r^3f& r^{4}f& r^{5}f & f & rf & r^2f \\
\hline
r^4 && r^4& r^5& f& rf& r^2f& r^3f& r^{4}f& r^{5}f & f & rf & r^2f & r^3f\\
\hline
r^5 && r^5& f& rf& r^2f& r^3f& r^{4}f& r^{5}f & f & rf & r^2f & r^3f &r^4f \\
\hline
f && f& rf& r^2f& r^3f& r^{4}f& r^{5}f & f & rf & r^2f & r^3f &r^4f & r^5f \\
\hline
rf && rf& r^2f& r^3f& r^{4}f& r^{5}f & f & rf & r^2f & r^3f &r^4f & r^5f &e \\
\hline
r^2f && r^2f& r^3f& r^{4}f& r^{5}f & f & rf & r^2f & r^3f &r^4f & r^5f &e & r\\
\hline
r^3f && r^3f& r^{4}f& r^{5}f & f & rf & r^2f & r^3f &r^4f & r^5f &e & r & rf \\
\hline
r^4f && r^{4}f& r^{5}f & f & rf & r^2f & r^3f &r^4f & r^5f &e & r & rf & r^2f \\
\hline
r^{5}f && r^{5}f & f & rf & r^2f & r^3f &r^4f & r^5f &e & r & rf & r^2f & r^3f \\
\hline
&& & &
\hline
\end{array} \end{aligned}$$

Is this how it should be done? $r$ denotes rotations and $f$ denotes reflections.
You've got a boo-boo. I didn't check the rest of the chart but {e, r, r^2, r^3. r^4, r^5} is a subgroup, but you have r*r^5 = f. (etc) At least some of the f's in the chart should be e's.

-Dan
 
topsquark said:
You've got a boo-boo. I didn't check the rest of the chart but {e, r, r^2, r^3. r^4, r^5} is a subgroup, but you have r*r^5 = f. (etc) At least some of the f's in the chart should be e's.

-Dan
lol, boo-boo indeed! Any better now?

$$\begin{aligned} \begin{array}{cc|c|c|c|}
* && e & r & r^2& r^3& r^4& r^5& f& rf& r^2f& r^3f& r^{4}f& r^{5}f\\
\\
\hline
e && e & r & r^2& r^3& r^4& r^5& f& rf& r^2f& r^3f& r^{4}f& r^{5}f \\
\hline
r && r & r^2 & r^3& r^4& r^5& f& rf& r^2f& r^3f& r^{4}f& r^{5}f & e \\
\hline
r^2 && r^2 & r^3& r^4& r^5& f& rf& r^2f& r^3f& r^{4}f& r^{5}f & e & r \\
\hline
r^3 && r^3& r^4& r^5& f& rf& r^2f& r^3f& r^{4}f& r^{5}f & e & r & r^2 \\
\hline
r^4 && r^4& r^5& f& rf& r^2f& r^3f& r^{4}f& r^{5}f & e & r & r^2 & r^3\\
\hline
r^5 && r^5& f& rf& r^2f& r^3f& r^{4}f& r^{5}f & e & r & r^2 & r^3 &r^4 \\
\hline
f && f& rf& r^2f& r^3f& r^{4}f& r^{5}f & e & r & r^2 & r^3 &r^4 & r^5 \\
\hline
rf && rf& r^2f& r^3f& r^{4}f& r^{5}f & e & r & r^2 & r^3 &r^4 & r^5 & f\\
\hline
r^2f && r^2f& r^3f& r^{4}f& r^{5}f & e & r & r^2 & r^3 &r^4 & r^5 & f & rf\\
\hline
r^3f && r^3f& r^{4}f& r^{5}f & e & r & r^2 & r^3 &r^4 & r^5 & f & rf & r^2f\\
\hline
r^4f && r^{4}f& r^{5}f & e & r & r^2 & r^3 &r^4 & r^5 & f & rf & r^2f & r^3 f\\
\hline
r^{5}f && r^{5}f & e & r & r^2 & r^3 &r^4 & r^5 & f & rf & r^2f & r^3 f & r^4f \\
\hline
&& & &
\hline
\end{array} \end{aligned}$$
 
Gah! You got the wrong f's! (Shake)

I mentioned r*r^5 = e. You still have it equal to f.

This is the {e, r, r^2, r^3, r^4, r^5} subgroup. It's cyclic so there should be no f's in there.
[math]
\begin{array}{c|c|c|c|c|c|c|}
* & e & r & r^2 & r^3 & r^4 & r^5 \\
\hline e & e & r & r^2 & r^3 & r^4 & r^5 \\
\hline r & r & r^2 & r^3 & r^4 & r^5 & e \\
\hline r^2 & r^2 & r^3 & r^4 & r^5 & e & r \\
\hline r^3 & r^3 & r^4 & r^5 & e & r & r^2 \\
\hline r^4 & r^4 & r^5 & e & r & r^2 & r^3 \\
\hline r^5 & r^5 & e & r & r^2 & r^3 & r^4 \\
\end{array}
[/math]

The f's you changed should be f's.

-Dan
 
The rest of the table isn't much better off...some things that are true in $D_6$:

A rotation times a rotation is a rotation (this is topsquark's sub-table).

A rotation times a reflection is a reflection.

A reflection times a reflection is a rotation.

All reflections have order 2.
 
Thanks @Deveno and @topsquark for the feedback. Here's take #3: $\begin{array}{c|c|c|c|c|c|c|c|c|c|c|c|c|}
\circ & e & r & r^2& r^3& r^4& r^5& f& rf& r^2f& r^3f& r^{4}f& r^{5}f \\
\hline e & e & r & r^2& r^3& r^4& r^5& f& rf& r^2f& r^3f& r^{4}f& r^{5}f \\
\hline r & r & r^2 & r^3 & r ^4 & r ^5 & e & rf & r^2f & r^3f & r^4f & r^5f & f\\
\hline r^2 & r^2 & r^3 & r ^4 & r ^5 & e & r & r^2f & r^3f & r^4f & r^5f & f & rf\\
\hline r^3& r^3 & r ^4 & r ^5 & e & r & r^2 & r^3f & r^4f & r^5f & f & rf & r^2f\\
\hline r^4& r ^4 & r ^5 & e & r & r^2 & r^3 & r^4f & r^5f & f & rf & r^2f & r^3f\\
\hline r^5 & r ^5 & e & r & r^2 & r^3 & r^4 & r^5f & f & rf & r^2f & r^3f & r^4f\\
\hline f & f& rf& r^2f& r^3f& r^{4}f& r^{5}f & e & r & r^2 & r^3 & r^4 & r^5 \\
\hline rf & rf& r^2f& r^3f& r^{4}f& r^{5}f & f & r & r^2 & r^3 & r^4 & r^5 & e \\
\hline r^2f & r^2f& r^3f& r^{4}f & r^{5}f & f & rf & r^2 & r^3 & r^4 & r^5 & e & r \\
\hline r^3f & r^3f& r^{4}f& r^{5}f & f & rf & r^2f & r^3 & r^4 & r^5 & e & r & r^2 \\
\hline r^4f & r^{4}f& r^{5}f & f & rf & r^2f & r^3f & r^4 & r^5 & e & r & r^2 & r^3 \\
\hline r^5f & r^{5}f & f & rf & r^2f & r^3f & r^4f & r^5 & e & r & r^2 & r^3 & r^4 \\ \hline
\end{array}$
 
There is still quite a lot wrong. For a start, $r$ and $f$ do not commute. So you should not have the product $fr$ the same as $rf$. In fact, it should be $r^5f$. Also, you have not implemented Deveno's comment that all reflections have order 2. For example, $rf$ is a reflection, so $rf\,rf$ should be $e$.
 
Opalg said:
There is still quite a lot wrong. For a start, $r$ and $f$ do not commute. So you should not have the product $fr$ the same as $rf$. In fact, it should be $r^5f$. Also, you have not implemented Deveno's comment that all reflections have order 2. For example, $rf$ is a reflection, so $rf\,rf$ should be $e$.
Thanks for the feedback, Opalg. I tried to take all the suggestions into account, and here's what I get:
$$\begin{array}{c|c|c|c|c|c|c|c|c|c|c|c|c|}
\circ & e & r & r^2& r^3& r^4& r^5& f& rf& r^2f& r^3f& r^{4}f& r^{5}f \\
\hline e & e & r & r^2& r^3& r^4& r^5& f& rf& r^2f& r^3f& r^{4}f& r^{5}f \\
\hline r & r & r^2 & r^3 & r ^4 & r ^5 & e & rf & r^2f & r^3f & r^4f & r^5f & f\\
\hline r^2 & r^2 & r^3 & r ^4 & r ^5 & e & r & r^2f & r^3f & r^4f & r^5f & f & rf\\
\hline r^3& r^3 & r ^4 & r ^5 & e & r & r^2 & r^3f & r^4f & r^5f & f & rf & r^2f\\
\hline r^4& r ^4 & r ^5 & e & r & r^2 & r^3 & r^4f & r^5f & f & rf & r^2f & r^3f\\
\hline r^5 & r ^5 & e & r & r^2 & r^3 & r^4 & r^5f & f & rf & r^2f & r^3f & r^4f\\
\hline f &f &r^5f & r^4f &r^3f &r^2f & rf& e& r^5& r^4 &r^3 &r^2 & r \\
\hline rf & rf & f & r^5 f & r^4f& r^3f & r^2f& r& e & r^5 & r^4 & r^3 & r^2 \\
\hline r^2f & r^2f & rf &f &r^5f & r^4f & r^3f &r^2 & r & e & r^5& r^4 & r^3 \\
\hline r^3f & r^3f & r^2f & rf& f & r^5f & r^4f& r^3& r^2 & r & e& r^5& r^4\\
\hline r^4f & r^4f & r^3f &r^2f &rf & f & r^5f & r^4 & r^3 & r^2& r&e & r^5\\
\hline r^5f & r^5f&r^4f & r^3f & r^2f &rf &f &r^5 &r^4 &r^3 &r^2 &r & e\\ \hline
\end{array}$$
 
Guest said:
Thanks for the feedback, Opalg. I tried to take all the suggestions into account, and here's what I get:
$$\begin{array}{c|c|c|c|c|c|c|c|c|c|c|c|c|}
\circ & e & r & r^2& r^3& r^4& r^5& f& rf& r^2f& r^3f& r^{4}f& r^{5}f \\
\hline e & e & r & r^2& r^3& r^4& r^5& f& rf& r^2f& r^3f& r^{4}f& r^{5}f \\
\hline r & r & r^2 & r^3 & r ^4 & r ^5 & e & rf & r^2f & r^3f & r^4f & r^5f & f\\
\hline r^2 & r^2 & r^3 & r ^4 & r ^5 & e & r & r^2f & r^3f & r^4f & r^5f & f & rf\\
\hline r^3& r^3 & r ^4 & r ^5 & e & r & r^2 & r^3f & r^4f & r^5f & f & rf & r^2f\\
\hline r^4& r ^4 & r ^5 & e & r & r^2 & r^3 & r^4f & r^5f & f & rf & r^2f & r^3f\\
\hline r^5 & r ^5 & e & r & r^2 & r^3 & r^4 & r^5f & f & rf & r^2f & r^3f & r^4f\\
\hline f &f &r^5f & r^4f &r^3f &r^2f & rf& e& r^5& r^4 &r^3 &r^2 & r \\
\hline rf & rf & f & r^5 f & r^4f& r^3f & r^2f& r& e & r^5 & r^4 & r^3 & r^2 \\
\hline r^2f & r^2f & rf &f &r^5f & r^4f & r^3f &r^2 & r & e & r^5& r^4 & r^3 \\
\hline r^3f & r^3f & r^2f & rf& f & r^5f & r^4f& r^3& r^2 & r & e& r^5& r^4\\
\hline r^4f & r^4f & r^3f &r^2f &rf & f & r^5f & r^4 & r^3 & r^2& r&e & r^5\\
\hline r^5f & r^5f&r^4f & r^3f & r^2f &rf &f &r^5 &r^4 &r^3 &r^2 &r & e\\ \hline
\end{array}$$

That looks correct (I honestly don't have time to verify all 144 products). There's a "trick" to this:

There is a rule for "getting the $r$'s in front":

$fr^k = r^{-k}f$.

Sometimes this is written as: $fr^kf = r^{-k}$, and can be proven by noting that:

$frf = frf^{-1}= r^{-1}$, and that:

$fr^kf = fr^kf^{-1} = (frf^{-1})(frf^{-1})\cdots(frf^{-1}) = (frf^{-1})^k = (frf)^k$.

(This same trick works for any dihedral group).

Notice that your Cayley table divides nicely into four 6x6 blocks, the northwest block is the subgroup table for the rotation subgroup $\langle r\rangle$, the northeast and southwest blocks can be taken as "representative" of $f\langle r\rangle$ as a whole (the "other" coset of $\langle r\rangle$ besides the rotation group itself), the southeast block represents my statement that "a reflection times a reflection is a rotation" -which you can see at a glance, since it has no $f$'s in it.

If we call the rotation group $R$, this gives us a "over-table" (whose elements are the 6x6 "blocks"):

$$\begin{array}{c|c|c|}
\circ&R&fR\\
\hline R&R&fR\\
\hline fR&fR&R\\ \hline
\end{array}$$

In other words, a visual demonstration that $D_4/R \cong C_2$ (a cyclic group of order 2).

Geometrically, $r$ is, of course, a rotation (typically counter-clockwise to agree with trigonometry), and $f$ is a "flip" about an agreed-upon axis between two opposite vertices or midpoints. If you *really* want to give yourself a work-out, you can try to think of 2x2 matrices that represent $r$ and $f$, and verify your Cayley table that way, as well (although this may seem like a lot of work, it is part of the process of creating a *character table*, something chemists actually use to classify molecular symmetry-$D_6$ is the symmetry group of the benzene molecule-which plays an important part in many organic compounds).

In any case, it is obvious that if you flip a hexagon, rotate it, and flip it again, the second flip means your rotation now counts in the opposite direction, which is why $frf = r^{-1}$ (because the "flipped plane" turns counter-clockwise to clockwise, and vice versa: it has the opposite *orientation*).
 
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Deveno said:
...
Many thanks, Deveno. From what you have said it seems there's all kinds of information encoded into the table!
 

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