Does this hydraulic part exist? linear retractable hydraulic joint

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the existence and specifications of a linear retractable hydraulic joint, specifically a hydraulic cylinder with a hollow rod that expands and retracts without performing work or resisting fluid flow. Participants explore potential designs and applications of such a device.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about the existence and name of a linear retractable hydraulic joint that functions like a hose but is cylinder-based.
  • Another participant questions the maximum internal pressure the joint would need to withstand and suggests using a hydraulic hose with a loop instead.
  • A participant clarifies that the device should hold regular hydraulic pressures and explains that a hose with a loop is not feasible due to space constraints in their application.
  • One participant describes the proposed device as effectively a hydraulic cylinder that would require lip seals to manage pressure and dirt, suggesting that it could be constructed from existing hydraulic components.
  • Another participant asserts that there is no readily available unit that meets the criteria of a variable length joint without a pushing force, proposing that a custom solution may be necessary.
  • A detailed method is provided for modifying a double-ended hydraulic cylinder to create a sliding cylinder with adjustable length and no axial hydraulic force.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the availability of such a device, with some suggesting that it can be constructed from existing components while others indicate that no commercial options exist. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the existence of a ready-made solution.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention limitations related to the design requirements, such as the need for specific sealing methods and the inability to use a hose due to spatial constraints. There are also unresolved questions about the internal pressure specifications for the proposed joint.

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hi

i am looking for linear retractable hydraulic joint,

basically it is hydraulic cylinder with hole in the rod, it does not perform any work, it does not resist the fluid flow, it just expands and retracts as needed, it acts as a hose but its cylinder based


is there something like this out there, what the name of such joint, send me link where can i buy it

thanx
 

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What maximum internal pressure will it have ?
Why not use hydraulic hose with a loop ?
 
Hi it SHOULD hold regular working hydraulic pressures like other cylinders, but the point is just to know if it exists.

Hose with loop can not be used, because in my application there is no free space for it. Only straight pipe can fit there. Thats the reason for such joint.
 
The device you are considering would be effectively a hydraulic cylinder and would push the ends apart with hydraulic pressure. O-rings would not work at those pressures. The seals would have to be lip seals as used for a hydraulic piston with rod seals to keep out the dirt.

You could make one using a hydraulic cylinder with a hollow rod, by changing the connections.
 
Yes so u are not aware of any such device, which can be readily purchased? It does not even have a name?
 
It is called a hydraulic cylinder with a hollow rod and it pushes things apart.
There is no simple unit available that has variable length without a pushing force.

If you really need one you can make one from standard cylinder components.
By using a second cylinder you can counter the extension force.
 
You can buy a “double ended hydraulic cylinder” which will be symmetrical with a rod seal at each end. Remove the rod(s) and the piston. Get a hollow hydraulic rod of the same outer diameter as the original. Plug one end of the new hollow rod, then drill a cross hole one cylinder length from the plugged end. Reassemble the original double ended outer cylinder with the new hollow rod.

One hydraulic connection is the open end of the hollow rod. The other end connection is one of the two original external cylinder ports, plug the one not used. Note that there is no piston in the cylinder. You now have a constant volume adjustable length sliding cylinder with no axial hydraulic force.
 

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