How Can I Accurately Model Heat Transfer in a Simplified Hydraulic Press Setup?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around modeling heat transfer in a simplified hydraulic press setup used for curing rubber and plastics. The problem involves steady-state, two-dimensional heat transfer with no internal heat generation, focusing on the thermal interactions between a heated mould, heater plates, and insulation materials.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • The original poster describes the setup and parameters, including the mould, heater plates, and insulation, and outlines their approach to modeling axial and radial heat transfer.
  • Some participants may need clarification on the assumptions made regarding the convective heat transfer coefficient based on air velocity.
  • The presence of a square cutout in the mould housing complicates the heat transfer analysis, as it introduces direct heat loss through convection and radiation, which the original poster finds challenging to quantify.
  • The original poster seeks references, case studies, or documents that could assist in addressing the complexities of their problem.
  • Subsequent posts express concern over the lack of responses and seek feedback on the clarity and appropriateness of the initial question.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants have not reached a consensus, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to model the heat transfer in the presence of the cutout and the assumptions made about convective heat transfer.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights potential limitations in the original poster's assumptions and the complexity introduced by the cutout, which may not align with standard heat transfer models.

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Readers interested in heat transfer modeling, particularly in engineering applications involving thermal analysis and insulation strategies, may find this discussion relevant.

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Hi all,

This is my first post in PF. This is a heat transfer problem.I have started to learn the basics of Heat transfer (I'm in 3rd yr engg).My project coordinator has allocated a problem and I'm having tough time solving it.

The Problem statement :(Pl find the attached images)

The setup is a hydraulic press for curing rubber and plastics.(the setup is greatly simplified to show thermal related aspects).

The problem is a two dimensional (Axial and Radial),Steady state heat transfer with no internal heat generation.

There is a mould,which is heated axially by heater plates and also radially by jackets.

The mould is housed by a mould container which has got an insulation scheme(Pl find in image)

The heater plates are insulated from support plates by insulator material.

There is a rectangular cutout in the mould housing which is a provision for plate heating fluid hose.

The known parameters are Mould surface temperature , Heater plate surface temperature and ambient temperature @ steady state.

The objective is to find the temperature on the surface of mould container and the top surface of support plate.(T1 and T2 in image)

Approach:
1) for axial heat transfer(Via heater plate to support plate) I considered it as a wall problem since all the the dimensions and thermal conductivity values were known.
2) for radial heat transfer i considered it as concentric cylinder problem.I have also considered radiation from mould to aluminium sheet and from mould container to outside(Pl refer attached image).

I will provide the calculations if wanted.

For both the approaches I assumed h (Convective heat transfer coefficient value) based on air velocity.Is that correct ?

The greatest problem I'm facing is the presence of square cut out. Since heat is directly lost by convection and radiation via cut out,I cannot correctly predict how much heat from mould will be transferred to the aluminium sheet.

I have tried looking for solutions in Heat transfer books but I'm not sure how to fit the problem of flow over vertical cylinder with cutout with standard models.

My co-ordinator wants a Theoretical calculation to roughly predict some values before going to FEA.

Can anyone help me.Please provide some references,case studies or documents

Sorry for a long post.And forgive me if i have misstated or under stated something.I'll explain with more clarity if needed.

Thanks for patiently going through my post.

Thanks in advance
 

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Is my Description of the Problem not proper ?.I'll correct it in my next post.Please Reply
 
Is there something wrong with my question .Is it the way I have asked or have I posted it in a wrong Forum ? please reply.I'm new to this. I'll correct myself based on some feedback.
 
Not even a single reply even for courtesy.Do PF members think I'm an Idiot ?
I did not ask for solution.What I asked after all was some guidance.I tried my best and I'm trying even harder.Even my professors are struggling to help me.I'm still confident that many members and mentors are brilliant enough to crack this one.If I have done any thing wrong pls write back again so i can correct myself.But this surely is not a way to deal a post.
Regards
gorygod
 

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