Does time slow down in an electromagnetic field?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the effects of electromagnetic fields on the passage of time, drawing parallels with gravitational effects as described by relativity. Participants explore whether time behaves differently in the presence of electromagnetic fields compared to other regions, and the implications of local proper time in various coordinate systems.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants inquire about the relationship between electromagnetic fields and the rate of time passage, similar to gravitational effects.
  • Definitions of "time" are questioned, with emphasis on local proper time and its dependence on coordinate choices.
  • One participant references a Scientific American article discussing the topic, seeking additional resources.
  • There is a suggestion that local proper time may vary due to space-time curvature caused by electromagnetic fields, but the effect is posited to be very small in laboratory conditions.
  • Participants discuss the implications of using synchronous coordinate systems, noting that proper time can be made to flow evenly regardless of curvature.
  • One participant proposes that the gravitational effect of energy, including electromagnetic fields, could be calculated.
  • Another participant introduces the idea that the motion of charges or magnets might be due to space distortion, paralleling gravitational effects.
  • A reference is made to the Kaluza-Klein theory, which attempts to unify electromagnetism and general relativity.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying viewpoints on the relationship between electromagnetic fields and time, with no consensus reached on the extent or nature of these effects. Some agree that local proper time may differ due to electromagnetic fields, while others emphasize the role of coordinate systems and the small magnitude of such effects.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on definitions of time and coordinate systems, as well as unresolved mathematical implications regarding the curvature of space-time in relation to electromagnetic fields.

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According to relativity, time rate differs in regions with different gravitational potentials, i.e. the closer we are to the source of gravitation the slower time passes. Does anyone know what happens to time in electromagnetic fields?
 
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Define what you mean by time.
 
The rate of change, whatever it may be (chemical reactions, radioactive decay, heat transfer). I guess I am interested if there is a difference between the time rate near the electromagnetic source and the time in any other place (similarly to when time is measured at the top and at the bottom of a high building).
 
Thanks jedishrfu! I have come across that article too...but I wonder if there is anything else on the topic?...My Google search was not that effective somehow...
 
TVI_1405 said:
The rate of change, whatever it may be (chemical reactions, radioactive decay, heat transfer). I guess I am interested if there is a difference between the time rate near the electromagnetic source and the time in any other place (similarly to when time is measured at the top and at the bottom of a high building).

OK, what you are referring to is called local proper time. It is connected to the zeroth coordinate (so called coordinate time) via the relation:
[tex] d\tau = \frac{\sqrt{g_{00}}}{c} \, dx^{0}[/tex]
Because the components of the metric tensor depend on space-time, this conversion factor may change from one point in space to another, as well as at different epochs at the same point in space

Also, the metric tensor components change if we change the choice of coordinates. We may always choose a system in which [itex]g_{00} = 1[/itex], as well as [itex]g_{0 i} = 0, \ (i = 1, 2, 3)[/itex]. The first condition tells us that the proper time is the same always and everywhere. The second allows for synchronization of clocks everywhere in space.

Such a system is called a synchronous coordinate system, and the coordinate/globally proper time in it is called world time.

As you can see in such a system, time flows evenly, regardless of the curvature of space. The curvature, in turn, may be determined by the present electromagnetic field.
 
So, the answer is that the local proper time may flow at a different rate due to space-time curvature created by an electromagnetic field? And according to the previously referenced article, such a curvature will be very small (if you create an electromagnetic field in a laboratory), hence, the change in the local poper time may be so tiny that it could not be observed? Have I got it right?
 
My point was that local proper time depends on your choice of curvilinear space-time coordinates. Furthermore, in a special (synchronous) coordinate system, you may make local proper time flow evenly at any point, regardless of the curvature.

However, there is a caveat. The metric in a synchronous system is necessarily non-stationary, i.e. depends on time. Think of the model of anexpanding Universe as an example.
 
TVI_1405 said:
So, the answer is that the local proper time may flow at a different rate due to space-time curvature created by an electromagnetic field? And according to the previously referenced article, such a curvature will be very small (if you create an electromagnetic field in a laboratory), hence, the change in the local poper time may be so tiny that it could not be observed? Have I got it right?

Yes, pretty much. All energy gravitates.
 
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Thank you Dickfore and Cosmik debris. And is it possible calculate what the gravitational effect of energy (say, an electromagnetic field) would be?
 
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jedishrfu said:

Interesting. But the article later has kind of side tracked.
I once had a thought motions of charges or magnets placed next to each other could be caused by distortion of space, just like what gravity does to objects.

Which in another word means 'gravity' is the main fundamental force.
 
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It is very interesting, thank you Neandethal00. I guess more experiments are required...
 
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Neandethal00 said:
Interesting. But the article later has kind of side tracked.
I once had a thought motions of charges or magnets placed next to each other could be caused by distortion of space, just like what gravity does to objects.

Which in another word means 'gravity' is the main fundamental force.

There is an old 5D theory Kaluza-Klein I think, that attempted to unify EM and GR.
 

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