Does Turning on a Fan Affect Room Temperature?

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving thermodynamics and the effects of a fan on room temperature. The scenario describes a person leaving a room with specific dimensions and conditions, turning on a fan, and questioning the resulting temperature upon return after a set period, while disregarding heat transfer.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the relationship between energy input from the fan and changes in internal energy, questioning the implications of work done on the gas and the assumptions of heat transfer. There are discussions about the calculations of energy and the relevance of pressure and volume in the context of the problem.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants providing insights into the relationship between internal energy, work, and temperature change. Some participants are clarifying concepts and questioning the assumptions made in the problem setup, while others are attempting to correct or validate calculations related to energy input.

Contextual Notes

There is an emphasis on ignoring heat transfer and the implications of constant pressure in a real room scenario. Participants are also addressing the need for careful unit management in calculations.

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Homework Statement



A person living in a 4m x 5m x 5m room turns on a 100-W fan before he leaves a warm room at 100kPa, 30 degrees Celsius, hoping that when he returned in 5 hours, the room would be cooler. Disregarding any heat transfer determine the temperature of the room when he comes back. ( Assume the air to be an ideal gas with molar heat capacity C_v=3R/2).

Homework Equations


I couldn't get any of the latex code to work in the new website format.

R=k_B/N_A
pV=nRT
deltaU=Q+W

The Attempt at a Solution



So I calculated the energy put into the system by the fan and got: E=100(60)(60)= 1,800,000 J

The volume of the room doesn't change but I know the pressure will increase so therefore the temperature will increase. I'm having trouble finding out how to find this though. Would anyone be able to point me to the next step? Any help is much appreciated.
 
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Since there is no heat transfer into or out of the room, what is delta U? How is deltaU related to the temperature change?

Chet
 
deltaU is 0? Well Q=mCdeltaT, am I on the right track with that?
 
teme92 said:
deltaU is 0? Well Q=mCdeltaT, am I on the right track with that?
Delta U = Q + W where W is the work done on the gas. Is any work being done on the gas? (it says to ignore Q). That will tell you what happens to U.

AM
 
teme92 said:
deltaU is 0? Well Q=mCdeltaT, am I on the right track with that?
No. delta U is not zero. The fan is doing work on the gas. How is delta U related to the work W when Q is zero?
 
So deltaU = W then?

Sorry for the late reply and thanks for all the help!
 
teme92 said:
E=100(60)(60)= 1,800,000 J
Don't forget units and the 5 hours on the left side.

Pressure will be constant - you cannot pressurize a real room, air will escape through various openings.
 
Oh I forgot to multiply by 5. So E = 9,000,000 J
 
No you did not forget it (otherwise your answer would not fit), you just forgot to write it down.
 
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teme92 said:
So deltaU = W then?

Sorry for the late reply and thanks for all the help!
Yes.
 

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