Doesn't relativity define time as an illusion?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the nature of time in the context of relativity, exploring whether time is an illusion and the implications of a block time universe. Participants examine the conceptual and philosophical aspects of time, including its flow and the relationship between time and spacetime in both theoretical and experiential contexts.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that time is a fourth dimension alongside the three spatial dimensions, suggesting a block time universe where the past, present, and future are predetermined.
  • Others argue that proper time, as measured by atomic clocks, is unique to each observer and does not conform to a universal flow, contrasting with Newtonian time.
  • A participant challenges the notion of a four-dimensional solid, suggesting that it is merely a mathematical construct and that only an infinitesimal representation of time exists in the physical world.
  • Another participant notes that while relativity presents time as a four-dimensional manifold, the perception of time's flow may be considered an illusion, raising questions about the psychological experience of time versus its physical description.
  • There is mention of ongoing research into the physical basis of the direction of time, potentially linked to entropy and information theory, which may help explain the subjective experience of time's flow.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the nature of time, with no consensus reached on whether time is an illusion or how it should be conceptualized in relation to relativity.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the complexity of reconciling physical descriptions of time with human perception, indicating that assumptions about the nature of time and its flow may vary significantly among contributors.

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Like everything is in 4 dimensions. The 3 spatial ones and time. The past, future and present are already determined and just waiting to happen. There is no flow of time. What are your opinions on time, and what about a block time universe? How can time not be a flow, don't you need time in between each snapshot?
 
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An observer is a worldline in spacetime. Along his worldline, proper time, which is read by atomic clocks, passes. The difference from Newtonian time is that it is not universal, each observer has his own time.
 
To answer your question no. The four dimensional solid you talk about is a mathematical construct. Here in the physical world there only exists an infinitesimal thin sheet with three large dimensions (spacial) and one infinitesimal (time).
 
an interesting and deep question. Relativity does indeed force us to view the universe as a four-dimensional space-time manifold.

Thus, time apparently doesn't flow, it simply "is."

Whether you should now choose to describe time or the flow of time as an "illusion" is up for debate. Certainly psychologically the flow of time is certainly very tricky; we can be fooled. But should we describe the disconnect between the physical descriptions of time and our internal experiences as an Illusion? maybe.

It is thought that the possible physical bases of a "direction in time" may some day explain why we experience a forward flow. Current work relates to Entropy, information theory, as well as cosmological explanations.
 

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