Don't understand rules of continuity/discontinuity with Limits

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The discussion focuses on understanding the rules of continuity in relation to limits. Three essential conditions for a function to be continuous at a point are outlined: the function must be defined at that point, the limit as x approaches that point must exist, and the limit must equal the function's value at that point. Examples of discontinuous functions, such as the Heaviside step function, illustrate how these rules can fail. The conversation also clarifies that undefined expressions, like 0/0, do not have a value, and emphasizes the importance of these conditions in determining continuity. Understanding these concepts is crucial for analyzing functions in calculus.
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Hi,

My textbook is giving me 3 rules that must be met to be continuous:

I don't understand what my textbook is trying to explain to me,

- ƒ is defined at a...:confused:

-Lim ƒ(x) = ƒ(a)...:confused:
x→a

all i undersdand is that if you draw a graph that is continuous, you must be able to draw the graph without lifting your pen.
 
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HadanIdea said:
Hi,

My textbook is giving me 3 rules that must be met to be continuous:

You only seem to be giving 2 rules below?

I don't understand what my textbook is trying to explain to me,

- ƒ is defined at a...:confused:

-Lim ƒ(x) = ƒ(a)...:confused:
x→a

all i undersdand is that if you draw a graph that is continuous, you must be able to draw the graph without lifting your pen.

That characterization isn't entirely correct, but it's a good intuition.

It would help if you would explain what you don't understand about the rules you've given above.

A good thing to try is to invent some discontinuous functions yourself and to see how the rules fail. One of the most famous examples is the Heaviside step function:

325px-Dirac_distribution_CDF.svg.png


So this function is defined as a function ##H:\mathbb{R}\rightarrow \mathbb{R}## such that ##H(x) = 0## if ##x<0##, ##H(x)=1## if ##x>0## and ##H(0) = 1/2##. You can see from the graph that the function is not continuous and that there is a problem in ##0##. Does this function satisfy

\lim_{x\rightarrow 0} H(x) = H(0)

Here's another function:

continuous_4.gif


Is this function continuous? Where is the problem? What rule doesn't it satisfy?

Another one:

continuous_5.gif


This function to be discontinuous. The reason is of course that the function is undefined at ##x=3##, so ##f(3)## is not defined. According to your definition, for the function to be continuous at ##3##, it must be defined there.
 
Hi micromass,

The third rule is:

Lim ƒ(x) exists
x→a

I don't understand the statement: H:R→R

I do understand H(x) = 0 if x < 0, and
H(x) = 1 if x > 1, from looking at the graph.


So if something is undefined it is:

2/0 or ∞/0, is 0/0 undefined or is it just 0?


Here is one i tried to make up:

ƒ(x) = x + 3 (1)
x→a

then;

ƒ(1) = 1 + 3
= 4

would that exampe state the ƒ(x) ≠ ƒ(a)

because (1) = 4...discontinuous
 
HadanIdea said:
Hi micromass,

The third rule is:

Lim ƒ(x) exists
x→a

OK, makes sense.

I don't understand the statement: H:R→R

It means that the domain of ##H## is ##\mathbb{R}## and the codomain ##\mathbb{R}##. So this means that ##H## is a function that takes in elements of ##\mathbb{R}## and outputs elements of ##\mathbb{R}##. For example, you can input ##-2## and get as output ##0##.

I do understand H(x) = 0 if x < 0, and
H(x) = 1 if x > 1, from looking at the graph.So if something is undefined it is:

2/0 or ∞/0, is 0/0 undefined or is it just 0?

No, it's just undefined. It doesn't have any value. For example, if I define the function ##F##such that ##F(x) = 0## for ##x<0## and ##F(x) = 0## for ##x>0##. Then I haven't stated what ##F(0)## is. Thus ##F## is undefined in ##0##.

Here is one i tried to make up:

ƒ(x) = x + 3 (1)
x→a

The ##x\rightarrow a## should be under a limit. I take it that you define the function ##f(x) = x+3##. This is fine.

Let's investigate continuity in ##a=5##. On one hand, we have ##f(5) = 5+3 = 8##. On the other hand, we can prove that

\lim_{x\rightarrow 5} f(x) = \lim_{x\rightarrow 5} x+3 = 8

So we see that

\lim_{x\rightarrow 5} f(x) = f(5)

so the function is continuous in ##5##. You can do the same with all other values of ##a## in this case.

On the other hand, let's define ##g(x) = x+3## for each ##x\neq 5## and let's define ##g(5) = 0##. This is also perfectly possible. Then we have ##g(5) = 0##, but

\lim_{x\rightarrow 5} g(x) = \lim_{x\rightarrow 5} x+3 = 8

So we have that

\lim_{x\rightarrow 5} g(x) \neq g(5)

hence the function is not continuous in ##5##.
 
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Just to add to what micromass has already said, "##f## is defined at ##a##" is essentially just another way of saying "##a## is in the domain of ##f##".

If you write the three conditions out as

(1) ##\lim_{x\rightarrow a} f(x)## exists
(2) ##f## is defined at ##a##
(3) ##\lim_{x\rightarrow a} f(x)=f(a)##

then conditions (1) and (2) ensure that it makes sense to talk about, respectively, the left and right hand sides of the equation in (3). For instance, if ##f## is not defined at ##a##, then the term (i.e. collection of symbols) "##f(a)##" is literally meaningless, and the equation in (3) is nonsense. Or to put it another way, the three conditions could be stated in (slightly) more colloquial language as

(1) ##\lim_{x\rightarrow a} f(x)## is a number
(2) ##f(a)## is also a number
(3) ##\lim_{x\rightarrow a} f(x)## and ##f(a)## are the same number.
 
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