Doppler effect Formula manipulation

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The discussion focuses on the manipulation of the Doppler effect formula for calculating the speed of the source, specifically the equation f = f_{s}(v / (v - v_{s})). The user seeks assistance in deriving the formula v_{s} = (v(f - f_{s})) / f step-by-step. The conversation highlights the transformation of a messy formula into a neater version, confirming the equivalence of both forms. The final derived formula is validated by the participants, emphasizing the importance of clear mathematical presentation.

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Homework Statement


I have this Doppler effect formula, but I don't know how it was derived, I can't repeat the process myself to solve for speed of the source, I would really appreciate if someone could mathematicly solve this in steps, thank you very much.

Homework Equations


f=f_{s}\frac{v}{v-v_{s}} \Rightarrow v_{s}=\frac{v(f-f_{s})}{f}

The Attempt at a Solution


I checked and this is the same thing as the equation above, but mine is messy and ugly, I don't know how to prepare "neaty" formulas like the one above, this often confuses me and forces me to do checks whether my formula is right or not.
v_{s}=\frac{-f_{s}v}{f}+v
 
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Show, step by step, what you've tried and where you've become stuck.
 
gneill said:
Show, step by step, what you've tried and where you've become stuck.
Ok here's how I did it:

f=f_{s}\frac{v}{v-v_{s}}
I multiplied this by: (v-v_{s}) \Rightarrow f(v-v_{s})=f_{s}v
Then I divided by F and subtracted v
-v_{s}=\frac{f_{s}v}{f}-v

Finally I multiplied by the negative sign, that's my result:
v_{s}=\frac{-f_{s}v}{f}+v

I know they both are equal because I checked, but I don't have the skill to make my formula "neat" I often don't understand how people derive their formulas, I hope you know what I mean, I can't transform my formula into one above.
\frac{v(f-f_{s})}{f} = \frac{-f_{s}v}{f}+v
 
Combine the terms on the RHS with a common denominator.
 
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gneill said:
Combine the terms on the RHS with a common denominator.
Like this?
v_{s}=\frac{-f_{s}v}{f}+\frac{vf}{f}
Wait I see where this is going..
v_{s}=\frac{-f_{s}v+vf}{f}
v_{s}=\frac{v(f-f_{s})}{f}
Is this right?
 
Yup.
 
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Yup.
Wow thank you.
 

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