Compensating for Doppler Effect in Moving Car: Formula and Graphing

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Homework Help Overview

The original poster attempts to find a formula for generating a sine wave that compensates for the Doppler effect experienced by a stationary observer as a car moves past at 50 mph. The discussion involves the application of the Doppler effect formula and the relationship between the car's velocity, the observer's distance, and the frequency observed.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the formulation of the angle θ in relation to the distance d, the car's velocity Vs, and time t. There are questions about the correctness of the trigonometric relationships used, particularly whether to use sine or cosine. The original poster grapples with the symmetry of the graph produced and seeks clarification on the expected behavior of the velocity expression.

Discussion Status

Some participants have offered guidance on checking the expressions used for θ and the velocity V_o, suggesting that the original poster consider the sign of V_o as the car passes the observer. There is acknowledgment that the approach is generally sound, but careful plotting and consideration of the expressions are encouraged.

Contextual Notes

The original poster is working within the constraints of a homework assignment, which may impose specific requirements on the formulation and graphing of the problem. The discussion reflects uncertainty about the correct mathematical relationships and their implications for the graphing of the observed frequency.

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Homework Statement


Trying to find the formula to generate a sin wave that would compensate for the Doppler effect if played from a car moving 50 mph past a stationary observer 1 meter from the car's path.

Homework Equations


ƒ_{observed} = \frac{v}{v+v_{s}}ƒ_{source}

The Attempt at a Solution


Tried to work this out using variables first. Say d is the distance from observer to car's path.

First, we want to keep the observed frequency constant, so rewrite Doppler formula for source:
ƒ_{source} = \frac{v+v_{s}}{v}ƒ_{observed}

Then, taking the component of the car's velocity towards the observer
V_{o} = V_{s}cosθ

Where θ is the angle between the car's path, and the direct line of sight to the observer.

But we want this in terms of d, time t and Vs, so we can rewrite θ thusly

θ=tan^{-1}(\frac{d}{V_{s}t})

And then plugging back into Vo, we get
V_{o}=\frac{V_{s}}{\sqrt{(\frac{d}{V_{s}t})^{2}+1}}

So plug this back into our Doppler equation.

ƒ_{s}=\frac{v+\frac{V_{s}}{\sqrt{(\frac{d}{V_{s}t})^{2}+1}}}{v}ƒ_{o}

I've tried graphing this using ƒobserved=440 Hz and Vs=22 m/s, and the graph is symmetrical about t = 0, when it obviously should not be. I'm not sure where I'm going wrong.
 
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Check your expression for ##\theta## in terms of ##d##, ##V_s##, and ##t##. Are you sure that's what you want?
 
Why wouldn't it be? Tan gives me opposite and adjacent components which are d and tVs. Are you saying it should be sin or cos?
 
Consider the sign of your expression for ##V_o## as you pass ##t=0##.
 
Am I approaching this the right way? I don't see what else theta can be written as.

would writing it in terms of cosine make sense? then V_{o}=\frac{V_{s}^{2}t}{\sqrt{d^{2}+V_{s}^{2}t^{2}}}
 
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Your approach is fine, but you have to be a bit careful. Try plotting ##V_o## vs ##t##. Is it what you expect?
 
Yes! this new Vo works. Thanks!
 

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