Doppler Effect of a Laser Reflected from a Moving Mirror

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The discussion revolves around the Doppler effect as it applies to a laser beam reflected from a moving mirror. The original poster presents a problem involving the calculation of the beat frequency between incident and reflected light, referencing specific equations related to frequency and wavelength.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the derivation of the frequency equation used in the problem, questioning the transition from wavelength to frequency in the context of the Doppler effect. There is also discussion about the conditions under which certain approximations apply.

Discussion Status

The conversation includes attempts to clarify the equations presented and their derivations. Some participants express uncertainty about the assumptions made in the equations, while others provide insights into the relationships between frequency and wavelength. No explicit consensus has been reached, but there is a productive exchange of ideas regarding the underlying concepts.

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Participants note that the equations discussed may rely on the assumption that the speed of the mirror is much less than the speed of light, which is a common condition in these types of problems. There is also mention of potential discrepancies in textbook presentations of the Doppler effect.

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Homework Statement



A laser emits a monchromic beam of wavelength λ, which is reflected normally from a plane mirror, receding at a speed v. What is the beat frequency between the incident and reflected light?

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The solutions starts off with this

f_{1} = \frac{f_{0}}{1 + \frac{v}{c}}

But I'm not exactly sure where this equation came from. The solution uses

f_{0} frequency of source
f_{1} frequency of incident light (source) as measured by moving mirror
f_{2} frequency of reflected light as measured by the moving mirror

I know that the Doppler effect is often stated as

\frac{λ^{'}}{λ} = \sqrt{\frac{1 - \frac{v}{c}}{1 + \frac{v}{c}}}

So I'm not exactly sure where the first equation came from. Thanks for any help.
 
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Are you sure about your equation? In my book it is the same, but without the square root.

If you replace the wavelengths by the frequency and isolate for f1, you will get the equation, they start off with.

Remember that the two velocities are of the observer and reciever. So one of them is zero. The top velocity in your bracket, that is.

The lower velocity is positive, when the mirror moves away from a stationary source. So you get, what they have.
 
Ya. I just read underneath that part and it says that when v << c Eq. (4-44) (the equation I posted in the first post for the Doppler Effect) is approximated by

\frac{λ^{'}}{λ} = 1 - \frac{v}{c}

Which I didn't realize. I remember reading it earlier but it left my mind because I would rather use the equation in post one. It's interesting that your book doesn't mention it being a approximation, but that is probably because v << c occurs a lot.

Thanks for the help.
 
hjelmgart said:
Are you sure about your equation? In my book it is the same, but without the square root.

If you replace the wavelengths by the frequency and isolate for f1, you will get the equation, they start off with.

Remember that the two velocities are of the observer and reciever. So one of them is zero. The top velocity in your bracket, that is.

The lower velocity is positive, when the mirror moves away from a stationary source. So you get, what they have.

Wait hold on. What allows us to simply replace the wavelengths with the frequencies and just interchange them? I thought that the equation applied to wavelengths. Oh ok I know why lol.
 
Yeah, well the "approximation" is the most commonly used equation, which probably explains it. Anyway, all equations are based on approximations to a certain degree :-)
 

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