Doppler effect of light source

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the Doppler effect as it pertains to light pulses emitted from a moving source and their reception by a receiver. Participants explore scenarios where either the source or the receiver begins to move after the light pulses have been emitted, examining whether the Doppler effect is experienced in these cases.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that once the light pulses have been emitted, their propagation is unaffected by subsequent motion of the source, leading to a "no" answer for the first question regarding the source moving.
  • Others argue that if the receiver moves toward or away from the source after the pulses are emitted, they will experience a Doppler effect, indicating a "yes" answer for the second question.
  • A participant notes that if the receiver moves at a right angle to the line connecting the source and receiver, the Doppler effect may not be experienced, but this situation is described as more complex.
  • There is a correction from one participant regarding their initial misunderstanding of the second question, acknowledging that the receiver does experience a Doppler effect if they move after the pulses are emitted.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the Doppler effect's applicability based on the movement of the source and receiver, indicating that multiple competing perspectives remain without a consensus.

Contextual Notes

Some participants highlight the complexity of the conditions under which the Doppler effect is experienced, particularly regarding the receiver's path relative to the source.

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A source and a receiver is at rest with each other. Source emits some couple of light pulses, and stops emitting more.

1. The pulses is not reached to the receiver yet, and source starts moving. Does the receiver experience doppler effect with the emitted pulses?

2. The pulses is not reached to the receiver yet, and receiver starts moving. Does the receiver experience doppler effect with the emitted pulses?

Thanks.
 
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The answer to both questions is "no." After the pulses have left the source, their propagation (relative to a receiver, or indeed relative to any inertial reference frame) is not affected by later changes in the motion of the source.

The same applies to baseballs, or cricket balls if you prefer. :smile:
 
mananvpanchal said:
A source and a receiver is at rest with each other. Source emits some couple of light pulses, and stops emitting more.

1. The pulses is not reached to the receiver yet, and source starts moving. Does the receiver experience doppler effect with the emitted pulses?
No.
mananvpanchal said:
2. The pulses is not reached to the receiver yet, and receiver starts moving. Does the receiver experience doppler effect with the emitted pulses
Yes, if he moves toward or away from the source. If he moves at a right angle so his distance from the original location of the source remains constant, then no. EDIT: actually, it is more complicated than this as he has to take a specific path for there to be no Doppler.
mananvpanchal said:
Thanks.
 
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ghwellsjr said:
No.

Yes, if he moves toward or away from the source. If he moves at a right angle so his distance from the original location of the source remains constant, then no.

Thanks ghwellsjr.
 
jtbell said:
The answer to both questions is "no." After the pulses have left the source, their propagation (relative to a receiver, or indeed relative to any inertial reference frame) is not affected by later changes in the motion of the source.

I'm sorry, I misread the second question, because the two are so similar. The answer to that question is "yes." However, the amount of doppler shift perceived by the receiver does not depend on whether the source has changed its motion after emitting the pulses; this is what my original "no" was intended to convey, which does not answer the question that was actually asked.
 
jtbell said:
I'm sorry, I misread the second question, because the two are so similar. The answer to that question is "yes." However, the amount of doppler shift perceived by the receiver does not depend on whether the source has changed its motion after emitting the pulses; this is what my original "no" was intended to convey, which does not answer the question that was actually asked.

That's ok, jtbell. Thanks.
 

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