Dot product and cross product evaluation questions

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The discussion revolves around evaluating expressions involving the dot product and cross product of three vectors, specifically focusing on the relationships between these operations. The original poster presents a multi-part question involving vector calculations and seeks to understand the implications of these operations.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants explore the evaluation of the expressions (r.t)s and (s.t)r, questioning the role of the scalar product in the context of vector multiplication. There is uncertainty regarding the angle between vectors and how it affects the calculations. Some participants express confusion about the operations involved, particularly the multiplication of vectors by scalars.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, attempting to clarify their understanding of the dot product and its implications for the given vectors. There is a productive exchange of ideas, with some participants confirming their calculations and seeking further guidance on the next steps.

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There is a mention of potential constraints regarding the angle between vectors, which is not provided. Participants are also navigating the rules of vector operations, particularly in the context of homework expectations.

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This question has a few parts.

r = i + 2j + 3k
s = 2i - 2j - 5k
t = i - 3j - k

Evaluate:

a)(r.t)s - (s.t)r
b)(r x s) x t.

deduce that (r.t)s - (s.t)r = (r x s) x t


can you prove this relative true for any three vectors

a)(r.t)s - (s.t)r
(r.t)s

well I don't know what s is doing to inside the bracket. I don't think it's the cross product rule.
Anyhow

(r.t) means use dotty dot product

r.t = |r||t|cos(x)

problem uno. I don't know the angle between the vectors.

Am I just being stupid. I thought about possibly trying to get the angle from the cross product, or using some trig identity but I think that'll be a road to nowhere

Hint?

Thanks
Thomas
 
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hi,

ok, first you need: (a) (r.t)s - (s.t)r

you are given the vectors. For this, you don't need to use the formula:
r.t = |r||t|cos(x)

If you have two vector, do you know how to evaluate the dot/scalar product?
 
im being an idiot

r.t = (i - 6j- 3k)

but what operation does the s outside of (r.t)s do?

Thanks
 
and I am being an idiot agin, the dot product is scalar and so I'm merely multiplying all values of s by the scalar value returns from r.t

1 - 6 - 3 = -8

so (r.t)s = -8(s)

=> s = 16i - 16j - 40k

Good so far?
 
ya, good so far :)

now, do the same for (s.t)r

so can you now evaluate (a) (r.t)s - (s.t)r
 

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