Dot product of vector and a dyadic.

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The discussion revolves around the dot product of a vector and a dyadic, specifically involving the vectors a = i - 2j + 2k and b = 4i - 3j, with the dyadic M = 3ii + 2ij - ji + kj. Participants are exploring the properties and calculations related to the dot product in this context.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the definition and calculation of the dot product, particularly in relation to dyadics and vectors of differing sizes. Questions arise about how to apply the dot product when the dimensions of the vectors do not match.

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Some participants have provided insights into the workings of the dot product and its application to dyadics, while others express frustration with the assumptions made in their textbooks. There is an acknowledgment of misunderstandings regarding the definition of the dot product, and some participants have indicated a realization of their mistakes.

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Participants note that the textbook used makes assumptions about prior knowledge of the dot product and does not provide sufficient explanations for dyadics, leading to confusion. There is mention of differing vector sizes and the implications for calculating the dot product.

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If a = i - 2j + 2k
b = 4i - 3j
M = 3ii + 2ij - ji + kj. M is a dyadic.
Determine a\bullet2M\bulletb


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This isn't really homework, but rather just some self study to help me understand some of my work better. Attached is the answer.

My real question in this case is some info on how the dot product works? Been trying to find some info about this for 2 days now. If someone could just help explain the dot product between a and 2M, I would be really greatful.

Thanks
 

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If that is self-study, then surely the book(s) you use should explain the dot product before giving you examples of this kind? What exactly do you not understand in your books?
 
No, the book we use makes the assumption that we know how to calculate the dot product and only introduces dyadics.

I know how to calculate the dot product of 2 vectors if they were something like this:

(4i + 2j) (dot) (i + j) = 4+2 = 6.

But those vectors are of the same size. How do you go about it in the example, where the vector sizes differ?
 
One vector is 4i+2j and the other is i+j right? Then those two vectors are not the same size. (And when I say 'size', I mean inner product).
 
When you multiply 2M on the left by a, you deal with the unit vectors on the left in each term of the dyad. Similarly, when you multiply on the right by b, you deal with the unit vectors on the right. That's all there is to it.
 
htdIO said:
No, the book we use makes the assumption that we know how to calculate the dot product and only introduces dyadics.

I know how to calculate the dot product of 2 vectors if they were something like this:

(4i + 2j) (dot) (i + j) = 4+2 = 6.

But those vectors are of the same size. How do you go about it in the example, where the vector sizes differ?

It is a rather strange book that you have. If it introduces something, it should explain how that something works. For a dyad \textbf{ab} and a vector \textbf{c}: \textbf{c} \cdot \textbf{ab} = (\textbf{c} \cdot \textbf{a})\textbf{b}\textbf{ab} \cdot \textbf{c}= \textbf{a}(\textbf{b} \cdot \textbf{c})
 
It is a bit frustrating.

Thanks for all the answers, I've realized my mistake.

I somehow messed forgot the right definition for dot product. Just grabbed some old books and everything seems to work out now.

Sorry and thanks again for all the help.
 
Of course, 2M= 6ii + 4ij - 2ji + 4kj which can be represented as the matrix
\begin{bmatrix}6 & 4 & 0 \\ -2 & 0 & 0 \\ 0 & 4 & 0\end{bmatrix}

Your product is the same as the matrix product
\begin{bmatrix}1 & -2 & 2\end{bmatrix}\begin{bmatrix}6 & 4 & 0 \\ -2 & 0 & 0 \\ 0 & 4 & 0\end{bmatrix}\begin{bmatrix}4\\ -3 \\ 0\end{bmatrix}
 

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