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The discussion revolves around the implications of increasing the mass of particles in the double slit experiment and the transition from quantum to classical behavior. Participants explore the theoretical limits of mass and size in relation to quantum effects, decoherence, and the practicality of achieving ideal experimental conditions.

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  • One participant questions at what mass the double slit experiment would break down into classical physics, suggesting a gradual increase in mass by Planck units.
  • Another participant asserts that while theoretically possible to conduct the experiment with larger objects, decoherence complicates the preservation of quantum effects as mass increases.
  • It is noted that there is no clear boundary between classical and quantum realms, with the effectiveness of the experiment depending on the isolation of the setup.
  • Several participants emphasize that the interference pattern is not binary; it weakens as experimental conditions deviate from the ideal, with contributions from particles that do not self-interfere.
  • Reference is made to a specific experiment conducted by Marcus Arndt's group, which successfully used relatively large organic molecules in a double slit experiment.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that decoherence plays a significant role in the transition from quantum to classical behavior, but there is no consensus on a specific mass limit or the conditions under which the double slit experiment can be performed with larger objects.

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The discussion highlights the complexity of defining limits in quantum mechanics, particularly regarding the influence of experimental conditions and the nature of decoherence. There are unresolved aspects concerning the precise relationship between mass, size, and quantum behavior.

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This discussion may be of interest to those exploring quantum mechanics, experimental physics, and the philosophical implications of quantum behavior in larger systems.

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If we increase the mass of the particle beeing fired at the slots, at what point will the standard experiment break down and become just small pellets beeing fired and classical physics will apply?
Theoretically say we increase one Planck unit at A time.
Or, just is there A limit to the mass/size that governs the mind boggling doubble slit exp.?
Txs from A Non-physicist
 
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This is a very important and deep question. Therefore the answer is not easy.
Im principle, you should be able to perform a double slit experiment even with tennis balls, but this does not happen because as the object gets bigger and bigger a process called decoherence starts to destroy quantum effects.
There is no clear and sharp limit between the classical and the quantum world, and my question to your answer is that the size of the object is limited by how good and isolated is your experiment.
e.g. To my knowledge, the record ad the moment is held by the group of Marcus Arndt in Vienna, who has performed the double slit experiment with relatively big objects: organic molecules with about 60 atoms and mass >500 atomic units.
 
Something that very few treatments of the double-slit experiment mention: the interference pattern is not a simple yes-no thing that's either there or not depending on the experiment.

In an ideal thought experiment in which the sizes of the slits and the positions of the detectors and screen are arranged just so, and the incoming particles are properly isolated from the environment between emission and detection, the interference pattern will be bright and there won't be any contribution from particles that didn't self-interfere (that is, "behaved like particles"). In principle this would work even with tennis balls.

In practice, it is impossible to build this perfect experimental setup, so we never get a truly perfect interference pattern. As we move further away from the ideal the interference pattern gets weaker and weaker as we get more contributions from particles that don't self-interfere. So there's no single point at which the experiment breaks down: as Matteo137 says, it depends on how good and isolated your experiment is.
 
Nugatory said:
Something that very few treatments of the double-slit experiment mention: the interference pattern is not a simple yes-no thing that's either there or not depending on the experiment.

In an ideal thought experiment in which the sizes of the slits and the positions of the detectors and screen are arranged just so, and the incoming particles are properly isolated from the environment between emission and detection, the interference pattern will be bright and there won't be any contribution from particles that didn't self-interfere (that is, "behaved like particles"). In principle this would work even with tennis balls.

In practice, it is impossible to build this perfect experimental setup, so we never get a truly perfect interference pattern. As we move further away from the ideal the interference pattern gets weaker and weaker as we get more contributions from particles that don't self-interfere. So there's no single point at which the experiment breaks down: as Matteo137 says, it depends on how good and isolated your experiment is.

Thank U for clearifying my thoughts. It is very hard to phrase a proper question in QM, when my deeper knowledge of the subject is rather ...shallow.
Keep up the good flow.):):
 
matteo137 said:
This is a very important and deep question. Therefore the answer is not easy.
Im principle, you should be able to perform a double slit experiment even with tennis balls, but this does not happen because as the object gets bigger and bigger a process called decoherence starts to destroy quantum effects.
There is no clear and sharp limit between the classical and the quantum world, and my question to your answer is that the size of the object is limited by how good and isolated is your experiment.
e.g. To my knowledge, the record ad the moment is held by the group of Marcus Arndt in Vienna, who has performed the double slit experiment with relatively big objects: organic molecules with about 60 atoms and mass >500 atomic units.
Txs matteo137. U keep up your good postings and I will enjoy reading...Thomas
 

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