Double derivatives of F as a function of F and harmonicity

Click For Summary

Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around the properties of harmonic functions, specifically focusing on the double derivatives of a function F in relation to a harmonic function u(x,y). Participants explore the implications of harmonicity and the Cauchy-Riemann equations in the context of the problem statement.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the definition of harmonic functions and their properties, particularly the relationship between the second derivatives of u and the implications of being harmonic. There are questions about the interpretation of the function F and its relationship to u, as well as the potential use of implicit differentiation.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants seeking clarification on the problem's requirements and exploring various interpretations of the functions involved. Some have expressed uncertainty about their understanding, while others have offered insights into the nature of harmonic functions and their derivatives.

Contextual Notes

There is mention of a need for further clarification from a teacher regarding the relationship between the functions and their harmonic properties. Participants are also grappling with the implications of the problem's vagueness and the constraints of the homework context.

Verdict
Messages
114
Reaction score
0

Homework Statement


Screen_shot_2013_03_17_at_8_12_00_PM.png



Homework Equations


I can't think of much. u(x,y) is harmonic, so its double derivatives with respect to x and y add up to zero. I'm not 100% sure, but does being harmonic also imply that u satisfies the cauchy riemann equations? That might come in handy in the denominator.


The Attempt at a Solution


Where to begin, where to begin. To me, the question sounds very vague. The second derivative of a constant, isn't that just zero? What should I do? I know this is a lousy way to post a question, but I honestly don't even know where to begin. If you have any tips (just to get me started!) that would be great.

Kind regards
 
Last edited:
Physics news on Phys.org
I always thought that if u(x,y) is harmonic, then DEL^2 u = 0.
 
That was a terrible typo on my part, in my case it means that the second derivative of u with respect to x plus the second derivative of u with respect to y add up to 0, which is the 2D version of what you are saying
 
I really don't understand what you mean by "the equation F(x,y)= constant" can be expressed as u(x,y)= constant with u harmonic" unless you mean that f(x, y) is a harmonic function plus a constant: F(x,y)= u(x,y)+ C.
Then [itex]\partial^2 F/\partial x^2= \partial^2 u/\partial x^2[/itex] and [itex]\partial^2F/\partial y^2= \partial^2 u/\partial y^2[/itex] and, as you say, the sum of those is 0.
 
I'm not sure, I'll email my teacher to ask that, because it doesn't make sense indeed.
 
His reply is the following
consider the set defined by u(x,y)=constant. This is not the only way to describe this set. For example, if u(x,y)=constant also (u(x,y))^2=constant, or take any function F applied to u(x,y) give F(u(x,y))=constant. Now can you choose F such that F(u(x,y)) is harmonic?
 
i've been trying to figure this out for a day or so now, but I really don't seem to be making a lot of progress. I tried plugging in F(u(x, y)) with u harmonic, but not a whole lot cancels. Could anyone provide a hint?
 
I was thinking, maybe I should use implicit differentiation, as the function is equal to a constant? I don't really see where that gets me, but I am pretty desperate at this point.
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
2K
Replies
26
Views
4K
Replies
7
Views
3K
  • · Replies 27 ·
Replies
27
Views
2K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
2K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
2K
  • · Replies 9 ·
Replies
9
Views
2K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
2K
Replies
22
Views
3K
  • · Replies 9 ·
Replies
9
Views
2K