Double int needs a good T-form, got one?

  • Thread starter Thread starter benorin
  • Start date Start date
Click For Summary

Homework Help Overview

The problem involves proving an integral identity that relates a double integral of a function \( f(xy) \) with specific weight functions to a single integral involving \( f(z) \). The context is within the realm of calculus, particularly focusing on integral transformations and properties of the beta function.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss various approaches to transforming the double integral, including changes of variables and the application of the beta integral. There are attempts to manipulate the order of integration and to protect the function \( f(w) \) during transformations. Some participants question the effectiveness of their current methods and consider alternative strategies, such as using the binomial theorem.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with some participants offering guidance on changing the order of integration and suggesting specific transformations. There is recognition of progress in the reasoning, but no explicit consensus or resolution has been reached yet.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the parameters \( m \) and \( n \) are not assumed to be integers, but rather that their real parts are greater than zero. There is also mention of looking up integral identities in reference materials, indicating reliance on established mathematical results.

benorin
Science Advisor
Insights Author
Messages
1,442
Reaction score
191
I found this problem on http://endeavor.macusa.net/mathpropress/ :

Prove that

[tex]\int_{0}^{1}\int_{0}^{1} f(xy)(1-x)^{m-1}y^{m}(1-y)^{n-1} \, dx \, dy = \frac{\Gamma (m)\Gamma (n)}{\Gamma (m+n)}\int_{0}^{1} f(z)(1-z)^{m+n-1} \, dz[/tex]​

where f(xy) is an arbitrary function of xy.

My work: The beta integral gives [tex]B(m,n) =\frac{\Gamma (m)\Gamma (n)}{\Gamma (m+n)}=\int_{0}^{1}t^{m-1}(1-t)^{n-1} \, dt[/tex]

hence the the righthand-side of the given problem becomes:


[tex]\frac{\Gamma (m)\Gamma (n)}{\Gamma (m+n)}\int_{0}^{1} f(z) (1-z)^{m+n-1} \, dz= \int_{0}^{1}\int_{0}^{1} f(z) (1-z)^{m+n-1}t^{m-1}(1-t)^{n-1} \, dz \, dt[/tex]​

also, as for the lefthand-side of the given problem I have considered applying the change of variables [tex]w=xy\Rightarrow dw = y dx[/tex] so that [tex]0\leq x\leq 1\Rightarrow 0\leq w\leq y[/tex] and the integral becomes

[tex]\int_{0}^{1}\int_{0}^{1} f(xy)(1-x)^{m-1}y^{m}(1-y)^{n-1} \, dx \, dy = \int_{0}^{1}\int_{0}^{y} f(w)\left( 1-\frac{w}{y} \right) ^{m-1}y^{m}(1-y)^{n-1} \, \frac{dw}{y} \, dy[/tex]
[tex]= \int_{0}^{1}\int_{0}^{y} f(w)\left( y-w \right) ^{m-1}(1-y)^{n-1} \, dw \, dy[/tex]​

but now what? the alternative change of variables [tex]w=xy\Rightarrow dw = x dy[/tex] so that [tex]0\leq y\leq 1\Rightarrow 0\leq w\leq x[/tex] yields instead this

[tex]\int_{0}^{1}\int_{0}^{1} f(xy)(1-x)^{m-1}y^{m}(1-y)^{n-1} \, dx \, dy = \int_{0}^{1}\int_{0}^{x} f(w)(1-x)^{m-1} \left( \frac{w}{x} \right) ^{m}\left( 1-\frac{w}{x} \right) ^{n-1} \, \frac{dw}{x} \, dx[/tex]​

which also seems to be somewhat lacking. Should I try expanding by the binomial theorem (I do not assume that m and n are integers, but rather that their real parts are > 0) ?

Any thoughts? A transformation of variables of the form T:{u=u(x,y), v=v(u,v)} perhaps ?
 
Last edited by a moderator:
Physics news on Phys.org
I give up on this.

You should try the calculus forums, you might have a better chance of getting help there.
 
benorin said:
[tex]= \int_{0}^{1}\int_{0}^{y} f(w)\left( y-w \right) ^{m-1}(1-y)^{n-1} \, dw \, dy[/tex]

but now what?

Almost there. Change the order of integration to 'protect' the f(w) (the idea being a change of variables on y won't muck up our f(w)):

[tex]= \int_{0}^{1} f(w)\left(\int_{w}^{1}\left( y-w \right) ^{m-1}(1-y)^{n-1} \, dy\right) \, dw[/tex]

and work on the inner integral. We'd like to get the interval of integration of the inner integral to go from 0 to 1 rather than w to 1, so try a change of variables on y with this in mind. Or you might want to think of trying to match up the terms with "n" in the exponents between this integral and the right hand side (after you substituted the beta integral that is, the one with the "t" and "z" in it).
 
Thanks shmoe!

shmoe said:
Almost there.
[tex]= \int_{0}^{1} f(w)\left(\int_{w}^{1}\left( y-w \right) ^{m-1}(1-y)^{n-1} \, dy\right) \, dw[/tex]

Almost indeed! Recall (or look it up in the CRC table integrals as I did) that

[tex]\int_{a}^{b} (y-a)^{m-1}(b-y)^{n-1} \, dy = (b-a)^{m+n-1} B(m,n) = (b-a)^{m+n-1}\frac{\Gamma (m)\Gamma (n)}{\Gamma (m+n)}[/tex]

for [tex]b>a, \Re (m)>0, \Re (n)>0[/tex]

hence

[tex]\int_{0}^{1} f(w)\left(\int_{w}^{1}\left( y-w \right) ^{m-1}(1-y)^{n-1} \, dy\right) \, dw = \frac{\Gamma (m)\Gamma (n)}{\Gamma (m+n)}\int_{0}^{1} f(w)(1-w)^{m+n-1} \, dw[/tex]

as required.

Thanks shmoe! you kick-ass.
 
Happy to help, it's a cute looking problem.

benorin said:
(or look it up in the CRC table integrals as I did) that...

No cheating required! :-p

Try the change of variables t=1-(1-y)/(1-w) on the inner "y" integral.

A similar change of variables would likely prove what you found in CRC, something linear to take the interval [a,b] to [0,1]. (I haven't tried the details on this one but I'd wager it will work)
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 11 ·
Replies
11
Views
3K
Replies
4
Views
3K
  • · Replies 10 ·
Replies
10
Views
2K
Replies
3
Views
2K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
2K
Replies
6
Views
3K
Replies
3
Views
2K
  • · Replies 10 ·
Replies
10
Views
2K
  • · Replies 14 ·
Replies
14
Views
2K
Replies
5
Views
2K