Double Integral and Polar, Really Need Help in the next few hours

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around evaluating a double integral using polar coordinates. Participants are seeking assistance with setting up the integral, determining limits, and converting the integrand, specifically for a region defined as a quarter of a circular disc in the first quadrant.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses difficulty in starting the problem and requests help with evaluating the integral.
  • Another participant questions the limits on the radius and angle, suggesting that the region is in the first quadrant rather than the fourth.
  • Some participants propose that the radius is fixed at 2, with angular limits suggested as 3π/2 to 2π, while others argue for 0 to π/2 based on the quadrant interpretation.
  • Participants discuss the need to convert the area element and the integrand into polar coordinates, with one suggesting the integrand can be expressed as a function of r and θ.
  • One participant mentions their professor's inadequate notes, which complicates their understanding of the problem setup.
  • Another participant points out that the area element in polar coordinates is r dr dθ and emphasizes the importance of visualizing the region of integration.
  • A later reply indicates that the integral is radially symmetric, suggesting that the quadrant choice may not significantly affect the result.
  • One participant claims to have worked out an answer but expresses uncertainty about its correctness.
  • Another participant prompts for clarification on the integrand and notes the effect of the angular integration on the final result.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the correct limits for the integral or the quadrant in which the region lies. Multiple competing views remain regarding the setup of the integral and the interpretation of the problem.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved issues regarding the correct interpretation of the region of integration and the corresponding limits in polar coordinates. Participants express varying levels of confidence in their approaches and results.

BenMcC
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I have this problem and I cannot even begin to start it. I have to hand it in today in a few hours, and I have been stuck on it for what seems like for ever. It reads:

By using polar coordinates evaluate:


∫ ∫ (2+(x^2)+(y^2))dxdy
R

where R={x,y}:(x^2)+(y^2)≤4,x≥0,y≥0} Hint: The region R is the quarter of a circular disc with radius r=2 that lies in the fourth quadrant.

Any help would be greatly appreciated, I have no idea what else to do. Thanks
 
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What are the limits on the radius and the angular variable? (By what you have written, this lies in the first quadrant, not the fourth)
 
It only states that the radius, r=2. And since it's in the fourth quadrant, the limits of the angle would be just 3∏/2 to 2∏ I believe. But I have no idea how to set up this problem
 
Why not?
1. What is the area element in polar coordinates?
2. How is the integrand to be represented in polar coordinates?
3. The maximal radius equals 2. What is the minimal radius?
 
I typed the entire problem as it is on the assignment. There's nothing else with this problem
 
BenMcC said:
I typed the entire problem as it is on the assignment. There's nothing else with this problem
Yes.
And you ought to know, by what you have learnt, how to:
1. Replace the quadratic area element with the proper polar coordinate area element.
2. Convert the integrand into a function of the polar coordinates.
3. How to set up the new limits of the integral.
 
What I tried with this problem:
R:x≥0,y≥0
R≤4, so x^2+y^2≤4
-2≤x≤2, -sqrt(4-x^2)≤y≤sqrt(4-x^2)

The integral looked like
2∏
∫ ∫ (2+r^2)dr dθ
3∏/2 R


My professor does not give good notes, so I can't really follow his examples
 
arildno has given you such big hints.
1.dxdy in polar becomes rdrd(theta)
2.(2+(x^2)+(y^2)) is your surface function,simply put x=rcos(theta) and y=rsin(theta) in the function of (x,y)-because theta is measured wrt. x-axis.
3.you have to think in terms of r and (theta).Your region (which is a quarter circle on the x-y plane-1st quadrant) can be covered completely if you vary r between 0 and 2 and (theta) between 0 and pi/2.
Try visualizing the situation.
PS:I may be wrong.
 
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BenMcC said:
What I tried with this problem:
R:x≥0,y≥0
R≤4, so x^2+y^2≤4
-2≤x≤2, -sqrt(4-x^2)≤y≤sqrt(4-x^2)

The integral looked like
2∏
∫ ∫ (2+r^2)dr dθ
3∏/2 RMy professor does not give good notes, so I can't really follow his examples

Remember that the area element is r*drd(theta).

The integral is radially symmetric, so it doesn't really matter if you integrate in the fourth quadrant or the first. (But the inequalities you gave for x and y denotes the first, not the fourth)

And, the limit on r is from 0 to 2
 
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I ended up working it out and got an answer of 8pi+1/2. Not entirely confident in that answer
 
  • #11
What was your integrand?
Notice that the integration with respect to the angular variable gives you the factor pi/2
This is then multiplied with your result from the r-integration.
 

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