Double Pendulum Lagrange's Equation Problem

In summary, the conversation discusses the problem of finding Lagrange's equations of motion for a double pendulum system with equal lengths and equal bob masses. The main challenge is finding an equation of constraint to use, which can be done by considering the coordinates of the two bobs at different times and finding an expression for the length of each pendulum. This results in two constraint equations.
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Homework Statement


A double pendulum consists of two simple pendula, with one pendulum suspended from the bob of the other. If the two pendula have equal lengths and have bobs of equal mass and if both pendula are confined to move in the same plane, find Lagrange's equations of motion for the system. Do no assume small angles.


Homework Equations


L=T-U
partial L/partial q-(d/dt)(partial L/partial q')+lambda(partial f/partial q)


The Attempt at a Solution


Main problem is finding an equation of constraint to use. I know the motion of the pendula must be dependant on each other since they are connected, but not sure how to correctly state that. Also, do I need to set things up piece by piece? Meaning, have an equation of motion for x1,x2,y1,and y2? Or should it be combined?
 
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Well, suppose that the upper pendulum hangs from the origin, and its bob has coordinates [itex](x_1(t),y_1(t))[/itex] at time [itex]t[/itex]...can you find an expression for the length of that pendulum as a function of [itex]x_1(t)[/itex] and [itex]y_1(t)[/itex]?

How about the length of the second pendulum if its bob has coordinates [itex](x_2(t),y_2(t))[/itex] at time [itex]t[/itex]? (keep in mind that the second pendulum is not hanging from the origin :wink:)

That should give you two constraint equations.
 

1. What is a double pendulum?

A double pendulum is a physical system consisting of two pendulums attached to each other. It is a simple yet chaotic system that exhibits complex and unpredictable behavior.

2. What is Lagrange's equation?

Lagrange's equation is a mathematical formula used to describe the motion of a system of particles. It takes into account the kinetic and potential energies of the particles and is used to find the equations of motion for the system.

3. How is Lagrange's equation used in the double pendulum problem?

Lagrange's equation is used to derive the equations of motion for the double pendulum system. By applying this equation, we can determine the position, velocity, and acceleration of the two pendulums at any given time.

4. What factors affect the behavior of a double pendulum?

The behavior of a double pendulum is affected by various factors such as the initial conditions (position and velocity), the length and mass of the pendulums, and the gravitational force.

5. Why is the double pendulum problem considered chaotic?

The double pendulum problem is considered chaotic because even small changes in the initial conditions can lead to vastly different outcomes. This is due to the sensitive dependence on initial conditions, also known as the butterfly effect.

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