Doubt in the basics definition of work

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The discussion revolves around the definition and geometric interpretation of work in physics, specifically focusing on the mathematical relationship between force and displacement. Participants explore the concepts of dot products and their implications for understanding work, including the conditions under which work is done.

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  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the geometric meaning of multiplying force by distance, seeking clarity on the interpretation of work as W=F·s.
  • Another participant explains that taking the dot product of the force and displacement vectors yields the component of the force that is parallel to the displacement, which is relevant for calculating work.
  • A different viewpoint is presented regarding the direction of forces and movement, noting that if a force acts perpendicular to the direction of motion, no work is done in that direction, emphasizing the importance of the direction of force relative to displacement.
  • There is a clarification that while the cross product relates to other physical concepts, work is specifically defined through the dot product of force and displacement vectors.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying interpretations of the geometric representation of work, with some agreeing on the use of dot products while others highlight the conditions under which work is done. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the deeper implications of these concepts.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include potential misunderstandings of vector operations and their physical meanings, as well as the need for clearer definitions of terms like "work" in different contexts.

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Hello!

In my studying of work I've always been told that work done (by what? ) = Force (component along its path) times the distance it moves. Mathematically, W=F.s ... My question here is what is the geometrical presentation of saying Force x Distance ... In other words, when we multiply force vector times the displacement vector, what does it mean. If for example dot product the force vector by the unit vector of say the x-axis < 1, 0 ,0 > we will get the x component of the force. What is the case for work??

Thanks a lot for bearing my lengthy piece. And thanks in advance to whoever gives me a kind hand
 
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ehabmozart said:
If for example dot product the force vector by the unit vector of say the x-axis < 1, 0 ,0 > we will get the x component of the force. What is the case for work??
Take the dot product of the force and the displacement vectors. You are essentially taking the component of the force parallel to the displacement and multiplying it by the displacement.
 
The idea is that, if an object is moving to the east, and you apply a force on the object directed to the north, the object continues moving to the east at the same speed; so no work is done by the force as far as the movement to the east is concerned. But, the object is accelerating to the north, so the force is doing work on the object in that direction. So the conclusion is that only the component of movement parallel to the direction of the force results in work being done.

Chet
 
ehabmozart said:
My question here is what is the geometrical presentation of saying Force x Distance
That would be the cross product. But work is the dot product.

ehabmozart said:
If for example dot product the force vector by the unit vector of say the x-axis < 1, 0 ,0 > we will get the x component of the force.
Yes, that is the geometrical presentation of a dot product.
 

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