Draw the shear force and bending moment diagrams for beams

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The discussion revolves around drawing shear force and bending moment diagrams for beams, focusing on the calculations and interpretations of forces and moments at various points along the beam.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the calculation of shear forces and bending moments at specific points, questioning the methods used and the assumptions made regarding the loads applied to the beam.
  • Some participants raise concerns about the interpretation of the shear force diagram and the implications of point loads versus uniformly distributed loads.
  • There are inquiries about the continuity of the bending moment diagram and the correct approach to calculating moments based on forces to one side of a point.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing guidance on the correct methods for calculating shear forces and bending moments. There is a recognition of differing interpretations and approaches, but no explicit consensus has been reached regarding the final diagrams or calculations.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating through the complexities of beam loading scenarios, including point loads and their effects on shear and moment calculations. There is mention of potential grading implications based on adherence to standard methods.

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Shear force is calculated at each point on the beam. Downward forces are negative, upward forces are positive.

Moments about points are calculated as force multiplied by perpendicular distance. Clockwise moments are negative. Anti clockwise moments are positive.

The Attempt at a Solution



SF @ A = -6kN
SF @ B = -4kN
SF @ C = 12kN
SF @ D = 12kN (same as C)

SFD.JPG


BM@A=0
BM@B=6kNx1+12kNx0.5 = 12kN CCW
BM@C=6kNx1.5+4kNx0.5=11kN CCW
BM@D=6kNx3+4kNx2-12kNx1.5=8kN CCW

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Answers given are:
Vmax= -10kN (I can see this from the shear force diagram)
Mmax = -11kN.m (point c?)
Points of contra-flexure = C (not sure how this is calculated)
 
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In your shear force diagram, why does the line slope down from -6 to -10? Wouldn't that be for a uniformly applied load of 4kN along AB?
DevonZA said:
SF @ D = 12kN (same as C)
How do you get that?
DevonZA said:
BM@B=6kNx1+12kNx0.5 = 12kN CCW
This is not how to calculate bending moments. You should only consider forces on one side of the point. Which side does not matter in principle as long as you are consistent. Switching sides will just flip the sign.
 
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haruspex said:
In your shear force diagram, why does the line slope down from -6 to -10? Wouldn't that be for a uniformly applied load of 4kN along AB?

How do you get that?

This is not how to calculate bending moments. You should only consider forces on one side of the point. Which side does not matter in principle as long as you are consistent. Switching sides will just flip the sign.

Is the 4kN not added to the 6kN therefore giving us 10kN?

The shear force at D I thought would be the same as at C because there are no further forces between C and D?

Looking at the RHS for bending moments:
BM@A=-4kNx1+12kNx1.5=14kN CCW
BM@B=612kNx0.5 = 6kN CCW
BM@C=0

I am not sure how the bending moment diagram is supposed to look but I would assume something like this;
BMD 2.JPG
 
DevonZA said:
Is the 4kN not added to the 6kN therefore giving us 10kN?
Yes, but not until you reach that point in the beam.
For point loads only to the left of some point, the shear diagram up to there should look like a step function and the bending moment would consist of straight line slopes.
With one or more uniform loads to the left, the shear gives straight line slopes while the bending moment has quadratics (parabolas).
DevonZA said:
Looking at the RHS for bending moments:
No, don't do that - stick with working from the left. That seems to be standard and so you may lose marks doing something different.
 
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haruspex said:
Yes, but not until you reach that point in the beam.
For point loads only to the left of some point, the shear diagram up to there should look like a step function and the bending moment would consist of straight line slopes.
With one or more uniform loads to the left, the shear gives straight line slopes while the bending moment has quadratics (parabolas).

No, don't do that - stick with working from the left. That seems to be standard and so you may lose marks doing something different.

Like this:

SFD 2.JPG


LHS

BM@A=0
BM@B=6kNx1=6kN CCW
BM@C=6kNx1.5+4kNx0.5=11kN CCW
BM@D=6kNx3+4kNx2-12kNx1.5=8kN CCW

I really don't know what the bending moment diagram should look like though?
 
DevonZA said:
Like this:

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LHS

BM@A=0
BM@B=6kNx1=6kN CCW
BM@C=6kNx1.5+4kNx0.5=11kN CCW
BM@D=6kNx3+4kNx2-12kNx1.5=8kN CCW

I really don't know what the bending moment diagram should look like though?
You shear diagram and your moments for the individual points are correct.
The bending moment diagram should be continuous - no steps.
To do it properly you should consider a point at between A and B, at distance x from A say, and calculate the bending moment there. Then do likewise for a general point between B and C, etc.
But knowing that for point loads it is all straight lines, you can cheat and just connect up the plotted individual points.
 
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haruspex said:
You shear diagram and your moments for the individual points are correct.
The bending moment diagram should be continuous - no steps.
To do it properly you should consider a point at between A and B, at distance x from A say, and calculate the bending moment there. Then do likewise for a general point between B and C, etc.
But knowing that for point loads it is all straight lines, you can cheat and just connect up the plotted individual points.

Something like this:

BMD 3.JPG
 
Thanks again for your help Haruspex
 

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