Dynamic behaviour of a rotatable airfoil, at constant and variable flow field

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the dynamic behavior of a rotatable airfoil subjected to a moving fluid, specifically focusing on how the angle of the airfoil changes over time in a one-dimensional constant velocity flow. Participants explore the effects of flow velocity on the airfoil's angle and the conditions under which the airfoil may reach a steady state or continue to rotate.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes a scenario where the airfoil is fixed in elevation but can rotate around its axis, questioning how the angle changes with time under constant velocity flow.
  • Another participant notes that conventional airfoils typically have a negative pitching moment and are not stable in pitch without additional structures like tails.
  • A participant clarifies that their focus is on a geometry resembling an airfoil, not its conventional application, and is interested in the physics of flow and forces on such a shape.
  • It is mentioned that cambered airfoils generate a downward pitching torque, and there is uncertainty about whether a conventional airfoil would flap or spin when free to rotate.
  • One participant reminisces about a school experiment with flat airfoils that would spin, suggesting that similar dynamics might apply to the current discussion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the stability and behavior of airfoils, with some suggesting that conventional airfoils are not stable in pitch, while others focus on the unique characteristics of the geometry being discussed. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specific dynamic behavior of the airfoil in question.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the assumptions made about the airfoil's geometry and its behavior under varying flow conditions, as well as the dependence on definitions of stability and torque generation.

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Homework Statement



While I was learning about drag and lift on airfloils, I imagined a special airfoil which is fixed at a certain elevation and cannot move vertically (y axis) but can be rotated around its axis (z). Let's assume the direction of the flow to be the x axis.
I try to predict the dynamic behaviour of the airfoil after being subjected to a moving fluid. How does the angle of the airfoil change with time when it is subjected to a one dimensional constant velocity flow at x direction.

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The second question: What is the effect of increasing flow velocity on the angle of airfoil?

The Attempt at a Solution



In the case of constant velocity flow, I know that the airfoil tries to reach an equilibrium angle. One equilibrium angle can be the one, at which the velocity of the fluid at the top and bottom of the airfoil are equal. So there will be no driving force for rotation. But right after we apply an angle of attack, pressure difference of two sides of the airfoil causes a clockwise rotation. This will continue until stall is occurred. What happens next? Does the airfoil ever reach a steady state or it continues to rotate?
 
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Thanks for the references.

What I mean is not the airfoil in its conventional usage. Just a geometry like an airfoil. and the rotation axis is parallel to its surface. I am not talking about aircrafts at all. Just wondering about the physics of the flow and forces on such a geometry.
 
Cambered airfoils generate a torque in the downwards pitch direction. If free to rotate, some flat airfoils may end up spinning. I'm not sure if a conventional airfoil would flap back and forth or spin. Do a seb search for spinning wings often used a lawn decorations, which do not fly, as an example.
 
some flat airfoils may end up spinning

Now that's a blast from the past. More than 35 years ago when I was at school we would take small strips of paper about 3 inches long and 1 inch wide (perhaps a bit less). Fold down the short sides 90 degrees to form vertical surfaces about 1/2 inch tall at each end. They would spin as described. (eg They pitch up and keep pitching up). Sometimes they needed to be given an initial "flip" when launched to set them spinning (eg pull down on the trailing edge as you launch them). They would fly considerable distances if launched from the maths tower building.
 

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