Dynamics Question using nonconstant acceleration

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around a dynamics problem involving a particle with an initial speed experiencing nonconstant deceleration. Participants explore methods to determine the distance traveled before the particle stops, considering the acceleration as a function of time.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Technical explanation
  • Exploratory

Main Points Raised

  • The initial conditions of the problem are established: initial speed of 27 m/s, deceleration defined as a = -(6t) m/s².
  • One participant integrates the acceleration to find the time it takes for the particle to stop, concluding it takes 3 seconds.
  • There is a suggestion to use the relationship v = ds/dt to find the distance, but uncertainty remains about how to apply it given the time-dependent acceleration.
  • Another participant points out that the problem could be approached using a second-order differential equation, although this method has not been reviewed by the original poster.
  • Participants express a mix of encouragement and acknowledgment of the challenges in solving the problem.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the initial conditions and the form of acceleration, but there is no consensus on the best method to find the distance traveled before stopping. Multiple approaches are suggested, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the optimal solution.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the dependence of acceleration on time and the implications for using standard kinematic equations. There is also mention of potential complications from using second-order differential equations, which have not been fully explored in the discussion.

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Homework Statement


A particle has an initial speed of 27 m/s. If it experiences a deceleration of a = -(6t) m/s^2, where t is in seconds, determine the distance traveled before it stops.


Homework Equations



a = dv/dt
v = ds/dt
ads = vdv (not independent from the above two equations)

The Attempt at a Solution



What I know: v(0) = initial speed = 27 m/s
v = final speed = 0 m/s
t(0) = initial time = 0 seconds (assumption)
s(0) = initial displacement = 0 meters (assumption)

I used a = dv/dt and integrated to find the time for the particle to stop. I found it this way:

a = dv/dt = (-6t). dv = (-6t)dt. Lower limit for v(0) = 27, upper limit for v = 0. Lower limit for t(0) = 0, upper limit for t = t. Integrating dv = (-6t)dt, I get -v(0) = -3t^2 --> t = 3 seconds. This is the time it takes the particle to stop.

However it asks for the distance to stop, and I have no idea how to get it. I know I can't use constant acceleration formulas because the acceleration is a function of time. I tried using ads = vdv as that is independent of time, but the acceleration a is dependent on time as a = (-6t) m/s^2
 
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In your problem statement you state a constant decelaration of 6 m/s^2
Then you go on with: a = dv/dt = (-6t), which is the correct definition
Integration produces : v = -3*t^2+v0. You got the integration idea very right.
t = 3 sec.
So, continue with: v = ds/dt in a similar way.
v = ds/dt integration gives: s = (-3/3)*t^3+v0*t+s0
You can solve this for t= 3 sec.
 
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Thanks man.

I'm 're-learning' dynamics for my FIT exam in October. Funny how the simplest solution is right there in front of you and yet, nothing. :)
 
Why din you try 2nd Order Differential Equation? differentiate twice will induce many unnecessary constants.
 
darkdream said:
Why din you try 2nd Order Differential Equation? differentiate twice will induce many unnecessary constants.

Probably could have, but haven't reviewed DEs yet. :)
 

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