E & B Fields from Moving Charges: The Magnetic Monopole Mystery

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the relationship between electric (E) and magnetic (B) fields produced by moving charges, specifically addressing the implications for the existence of magnetic monopoles. Participants explore the transformation of fields when changing reference frames and the invariance of certain quantities in electromagnetism.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that a negative line charge at rest produces an E field, while moving with respect to it results in a B field, questioning the need for magnetic monopoles if B fields are essentially E fields in disguise.
  • Another participant agrees with the observation about E and B fields but emphasizes that the B field is minimal compared to the E field, suggesting that E²/c² - B² remains positive in stationary frames.
  • A participant raises a question about the invariance of E·B, seeking clarification on whether it is equivalent to the previously mentioned invariance.
  • Another participant confirms that both E·B and the relationship involving E²/c² - B² are invariant, referencing external sources for further information.
  • One participant acknowledges a mistake in their earlier response regarding a factor and corrects it, indicating the collaborative nature of the discussion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the transformation properties of E and B fields but express differing views on the implications for magnetic monopoles and the nature of invariance in electromagnetism. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the necessity and existence of magnetic monopoles.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference specific mathematical relationships and invariances, but the discussion does not resolve the implications of these relationships for the existence of magnetic monopoles or the nature of electric and magnetic fields.

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Lets say I have a negative line charge on a long thin rod, if I am at rest with respect to that rod I will see an E field. But If I am moving with respect to that rod I will see a B field. So why are people looking for magnetic monopoles, If B fields are E fields in disguise, wouldn't the electrons need to show magnetic monopoles if they existed?
 
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hi cragar! :smile:
cragar said:
Lets say I have a negative line charge on a long thin rod, if I am at rest with respect to that rod I will see an E field. But If I am moving with respect to that rod I will see a B field.

yes, but it's only a tiny-weeny B field …

it's still mostly an E field :wink:

E2/c2 - B2 is invariant (the same in all frames), so since it's positive for the stationary rod, it's always positive

(if the speed is tanhu, then |E| = cE0coshu and |B| = E0sinhu)

similary, a stationary magnetic monople (if it exists) will have E = 0, and so E2/c2 - B2 will be negative, in that and any other frame …

there's no frame transformation that will turn pure E into pure B :smile:
 
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I though it was E(dot)B that was invariant . Or is your way also equivalent. We can have frames where there is pure B then some E and B, but that probably doesn't help my case.
 
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