E&M question: suppose the speed of light is greater in an alternate universe?

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The discussion revolves around a hypothetical scenario in an alternate universe where the speed of light is significantly greater than in our own, while maintaining the same laws of electrostatics and special relativity. Participants explore the implications of this change on various physical constants and phenomena, particularly in electromagnetism.

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  • Participants examine the implications of a higher speed of light on gravitational acceleration, electric fields in capacitors, and magnetic fields produced by current-carrying wires. There is a focus on the interpretation of constants like ε₀ and μ₀ and how they might change or remain fixed in this alternate universe.

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The discussion is active, with various interpretations being explored regarding the effects of changing the speed of light. Some participants question the clarity of the original question and the assumptions about which constants remain fixed. There is no explicit consensus, but productive dialogue is occurring around the implications of these assumptions.

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Participants note the ambiguity in the original question regarding which physical constants are held constant as the speed of light changes. This has led to differing opinions on the correctness of the proposed answers and the interpretation of electrostatic laws in the context of the alternate universe.

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This is not a question of 'how' to do a problem; I know the answer to it and would like an explanation of why this is the correct answer, if possible! Thanks in advance!

Suppose there exists another universe where the laws of electrostatics and special relativity and the relevant physical constants are the same with one exception: the speed of light is much greater than 3x10^8 m/s. Which of the following things are true?

a.)gravitational acceleration of objects would be faster in the other universe than ours
b.) electric field in between plates of a parallel plate capacitor would be weaker in the other universe than in our own
c.) electric field in between plates of a parallel plate capacitor would be stronger in the other universe than in our own
d.) magnetic field produced by a current carrying wire would be weaker in the other universe than in our own
e.) magnetic field produced by a current carrying wire would be stronger in the other universe than in our own

The listed answer is D, but I don't see why B wouldn't work as well?

Thanks again! :)
 
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Well, I think it's a poorly worded question, since it's not completely clear what constants to hold fixed as the speed of light changes. In E&M, you could hold [itex]\varepsilon_0[/itex] fixed or [itex]\mu_0[/itex] fixed, but not both, because [itex]\varepsilon_0\mu_0=1/c^2[/itex]. The question says that "the laws of electrostatics" are the same, and if we interpret that to mean that [itex]\varepsilon_0[/itex] is held fixed, then D is the right answer. But you could argue that the question is ambiguous, and that C is also possibly correct.

Edit: I originally said "B is also possibly correct", but actually it would be C, since if [itex]c[/itex] goes up with [itex]\mu_0[/itex] fixed, then [itex]\varepsilon_0[/itex] goes down, so the electric field produced by a point charge (which goes like [itex]1/\varepsilon_0[/itex]) goes up.
 
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... or light is not an electromagnetic phenomenon in that univserse ...

... very poorly worded question.
 
Well, if the laws of electrostatics are the same then doesn't it stand to reason that the electric field between capacitor plates would have to be the same? As would the electrostatic force between two charges:

[tex] F = \frac{1}{4 \pi \epsilon_o}\frac{q_1 \ q_2}{r^2}[/tex]

So εo would have to be the same, no?
 
Yeah, I didn't realize it said the laws of electrostatics would be the same. I think the question is perfectly clear:) Thanks!
 
saraaaahhhhhh said:
This is not a question of 'how' to do a problem; I know the answer to it and would like an explanation of why this is the correct answer, if possible! Thanks in advance!

Suppose there exists another universe where the laws of electrostatics and special relativity and the relevant physical constants are the same with one exception: the speed of light is much greater than 3x10^8 m/s. Which of the following things are true?

a.)gravitational acceleration of objects would be faster in the other universe than ours
b.) electric field in between plates of a parallel plate capacitor would be weaker in the other universe than in our own
c.) electric field in between plates of a parallel plate capacitor would be stronger in the other universe than in our own
d.) magnetic field produced by a current carrying wire would be weaker in the other universe than in our own
e.) magnetic field produced by a current carrying wire would be stronger in the other universe than in our own

The listed answer is D, but I don't see why B wouldn't work as well?
It appears that the writer of the question assumes that this new universe would be exactly like our own except that the speed of light would be greater ie. that Maxwell's laws would be the same but the values for [itex]\mu_0 \text{ and } \epsilon_0[/itex] would each be smaller.

Therefore, Gauss' law would still apply:

[tex]\oint \vec{E}\cdot d\vec{A} = \frac{Q}{\epsilon_0}[/tex]

as would Ampere's law:

[tex]\oint \vec{B}\cdot d\vec{s} = \mu_0 I[/tex]So, would the electric field would be stronger or weaker in the new universe for a given electric charge at a given position? Would the magnetic field associated with a given electric current be stronger or weaker at a given position?

What is the expression for the electric field, E, between two parallel plates of a charged capacitor? How would a lower value for [itex]\epsilon_0[/itex] affect E?

AM
 
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Redbelly98 said:
Well, if the laws of electrostatics are the same then doesn't it stand to reason that the electric field between capacitor plates would have to be the same? As would the electrostatic force between two charges:

[tex] F = \frac{1}{4 \pi \epsilon_o}\frac{q_1 \ q_2}{r^2}[/tex]

So εo would have to be the same, no?
If Gauss' law and Special Relativity remained unchanged and if [itex]\epsilon_0[/itex] remained unchanged, then [itex]\mu_0[/itex] would remain unchanged as well. Magnetism is simply the effect of special relativity on moving electric charges. A magnetic field is really the relativistic effect of a moving electric field. So the values of [itex]\epsilon_0[/itex] and [itex]\mu_0[/itex] would have to decrease proportionately if the speed of light increased keeping special relativity intact.

AM
 

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