Early Abstract Algebra Problem - Pinter's Textbook

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The problem involves determining the associativity of a binary operation defined as \( x*y=\frac{xy}{x+y+1} \) from Charles C. Pinter's A Book of Abstract Algebra. The original poster expresses confusion regarding the solution provided in the textbook, which claims the operation is not associative, while they arrive at a conclusion suggesting it is associative.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to verify the associativity by calculating \( x*(y*z) \) and \( (x*y)*z \) and comparing the results. Other participants express agreement with the original poster's findings, suggesting a shared interpretation of the operation's properties.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants exploring the associativity of the operation and questioning the wording of the problem statement. Some participants have provided supportive feedback regarding the original poster's calculations, but there is no explicit consensus on the correctness of the textbook's claim.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the ambiguity in the problem's wording, suggesting that it could be more clearly stated as "Determine whether the operation * is either associative or not." This highlights a potential misunderstanding of the problem's intent.

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Homework Statement


This problem is from Charles C. Pinter's A Book of Abstract Algebra, Second Edition. The problem is B7 of Chapter 2.Show that the operation * is either associative or not.

x*y=\frac{xy}{x+y+1} This problem seems simple to me: I keep arriving at YES for an answer; more specifically,

x*(y*z)=(x*y)*z=\frac{xyz}{xy+xz+yz+x+y+z+1}.

However, the solution in the back claims that the answer is NO, the operation is not associative. More specifically,

x*(y*z)=\frac{xyz(y+z+1)}{xy+xz+yz+x+y+z+1}.

(x*y)*z= \frac{xyz(x+y+1)}{xy+xz+yz+x+y+z+1}.

After working the problem through several times, I'm pretty sure this is a mistake in the book. But I would greatly appreciate feedback so that I can be sure I'm not doing something terribly wrong.

Thank you very much.
 
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I agree with you. The operation seems to be associative.
 
I also get the same result.
 
But surely your text does not "Show that the operation * is either associative or not."
Every operation is "either associative or not"!

Better wording would be "Determine whether the operation * is either associative or not."
 

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