Help with a Linear Algebra problem please

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The discussion revolves around a problem in linear algebra involving a specific operation defined as \( x \oplus y = \max(x, y) \) and the role of a variable \( z \) set to 1. Participants are exploring the implications of this operation and its properties, particularly in relation to the additive identity.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants are attempting to understand the notation and rules associated with the operation \( \oplus \) and its relationship to standard addition. Questions are raised about the use of \( z \) as both a real number and an identity element, as well as the consistency of notation when switching between \( \oplus \) and addition.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants questioning the mathematical properties of the operation and seeking clarification on specific rules. There is recognition of oversight in previous reasoning, and a request for further explanation of the properties being tested.

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Participants are grappling with the definitions and implications of the operation in question, particularly regarding the identity element and how it interacts with the defined operation. There is an acknowledgment of potential confusion stemming from notation and terminology.

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Homework Statement
Testing Linear Algebra Rules on following statement
Relevant Equations
R1. u + v = v+u
R2. u + (v + z) = (u + v) + z
R3.1 z + v = v
R3.2 u + z = v
For the following statement:
V = R ≥ 1; x ⊕ y = max (x,y), with z = 1

My attempt is as follows:

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Should R3 be z ⊕ (x ⊕ y)?
I am confused at to the notation of this rule. Moreover, I am struggling to find examples and answers of such problems in linear algebra online.
Should I always view such questions (with x,y) as x representing "u" and y representing "v"?

Thank you
 

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I'm guessing to some extent about what you are doing.

The first problem is you seem to be using ##z## as an arbitrary real number and as a "zero"?

The other problem is that sometimes you use ##x + y = x \oplus y = max(x, y)## and sometimes you use normal addition. For example, what I believe you are trying to test is whether, for all ##x, y, z##:

##(x \oplus y) \oplus z = x \oplus (y \oplus z)##
 
PeroK said:
I'm guessing to some extent about what you are doing.

The first problem is you seem to be using ##z## as an arbitrary real number and as a "zero"?

The other problem is that sometimes you use ##x + y = x \oplus y = max(x, y)## and sometimes you use normal addition. For example, what I believe you are trying to test is whether, for all ##x, y, z##:

##(x \oplus y) \oplus z = x \oplus (y \oplus z)##
Yes you are correct I severely overlooked that one...
Would you mind explaining to me what the 3rd rule attempts to prove mathematically:
Should it be z ⊕ (x ⊕ y) = x ⊕ y
or z ⊕ x = x AND THEN z ⊕ y = y
 
MyoPhilosopher said:
Yes you are correct I severely overlooked that one...
Would you mind explaining to me what the 3rd rule attempts to prove mathematically:
Should it be z ⊕ (x ⊕ y) = x ⊕ y
or z ⊕ x = x AND THEN z ⊕ y = y

I assume you want to use ##z## for the additive identity (normally denoted ##0##) and in this case show whether or not the number ##1## has the properties of an additive identity. Let's use ##z## for this, although I've never seen that notation before. In case, let's use ##u, v, w## as our vectors. You need to show that for all ##u## we have:

##u \oplus 1 = u##
##1 \oplus u = u##
 

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