Earth/Moon trip with slow light

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The discussion revolves around a hypothetical scenario in which the speed of light is significantly slower, specifically set at 12.7 m/s, and its implications for an imagined Apollo moon mission. Participants explore the effects on time dilation, the nature of gravity, and the structural integrity of objects in this altered universe.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes a scenario where the Earth rotates at 0.99962c, leading to significant time dilation effects on clocks on Earth compared to those of astronauts traveling to the moon.
  • Another participant argues that with such a slow speed of light, the Earth would become a black hole, rendering the trip impossible without altering other constants of nature.
  • A mathematical approach is presented to calculate the time experienced by astronauts on the moon and on Earth, factoring in their respective velocities.
  • Further discussion includes the implications of the Earth and moon becoming black holes due to the altered speed of light, suggesting that interstellar travel would require drastic measures.
  • One participant notes that the rapid rotation of the Earth would cause the distance to the moon to vary significantly depending on the observer's location on the Earth's surface.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the feasibility of the scenario, with some agreeing on the implications of time dilation while others challenge the foundational assumptions regarding the nature of light and gravity. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the practicalities of the proposed scenario.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the impossibility of the scenario as presented, yet explore its implications within the constraints of the discussion. There are unresolved assumptions regarding the nature of gravity and the structural integrity of objects in this hypothetical world.

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I am working on an imaginary world -- call it science fiction if you like -- in which the speed of light is much slower but nothing else is changed. Yes, I know that this is impossible. The speed of light I have chosen is that the distance to the moon is one light year, which means c=12.7 m/sec.

The specific question that interests me is the Apollo moon mission. Since momentum is unchanged, then the astronauts will still be able to go to the moon in four days and return in four days more, as far as their own clock is concerned. The question is, what is the Earth clock doing?

I'm assuming the angular momentum of objects on the surface of the Earth is unchanged from that in our world. So the Earth is rotating at .99962 c and a day is still 24 of our hours. Yes, I know that this is impossible. What interests me is that since the rotation is so fast the clocks on the Earth will be dilated by a factor of 36.45. The velocity of the astronauts relative to the Earth is not constant, so it seems that it would be necessary to integrate the the time dilation of the astronauts relative to the center of the Earth over the entire trip, which is doable but not all that easy. Is there a shortcut for the calculation of the relative time dilations of the two paths: surface of the Earth, and trip to the moon?

The surface of the Moon would be rotating at a mere 0.3c, so once on the moon then the astronauts would lose almost all of their time dilation and have a wait of two or three weeks for the orbiting spacecraft to complete one orbit. As far as the orbiting astronaut is concerned the moon orbit takes two hours.

Anyway, I hope that this crazy problem interests someone who understands these things better than I and can point me in the right direction.
 
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With c = 12.7 m/s and unchanged gravity, the Earth would turn into a black hole, making the trip impossible. Since the speed of sound can't be greater than the speed of light, having rigid objects will also be impossible, unless you change some more constants of nature.
 
Time Observed = Time / √(1-v2/c2)

So if on Earth v = .99962c
And moon v = 0.3c

Tearth = Time / √(1-(.99962c)2/c2)
Tmoon = Time / √(1-(.3c)2/c2)

Doing algebra...

Time = Tearth * √(1-(.99962c)2/c2)

Tmoon = (Tearth * √(1-(.99962c)2/c2)) / √(1-(.3c)2/c2)

Tmoon = Tearth * √((1-(.99962c)2/c2) / (1-(.3c)2/c2))

Tmoon = Tearth * √((1-(.99962c)2) / (1-(.3c)2))
 
willem2 said:
With c = 12.7 m/s and unchanged gravity, the Earth would turn into a black hole, making the trip impossible. Since the speed of sound can't be greater than the speed of light, having rigid objects will also be impossible, unless you change some more constants of nature.

Thanks for the feedback. I calculated the Schwarzschild radius of the Earth with such slow light and it turns out to be 8.9 * 10^13 meters, so the entire solar system is well inside this. The moon would also be a black hole, but the solar system would also be inside it's smaller radius. Interstellar travel would require accelerating the Earth and Moon, which seems rather drastic.

The Earth would be rotating very quickly and would be a Kerr black hole. This gives a lot more grist for the mill.
 
With the Earth rotating so rapidly the distance to the moon would change by a factor of a thousand or so when measured from different locations on the surface.
 

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