Earth-Shattering Discovery: Proton Size

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the implications of recent findings regarding the size of the proton, specifically its charge radius, and how these findings may relate to established theories in quantum electrodynamics (QED) and quantum field theory (QFT). Participants explore the significance of the measurements and their potential impact on theoretical physics.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that the new measurement of the proton's charge radius could support or challenge existing theories that predict a larger radius.
  • One participant expresses skepticism about the significance of the findings, asking for clarification on why it matters.
  • Another participant notes that the newly reported radius of 1.082 femtometers is only slightly different from previously accepted values, questioning the urgency of the discussion.
  • It is mentioned that the charge radius is 5% smaller than previously accepted values, which some participants identify as a critical aspect of the findings.
  • One participant highlights the importance of understanding the size of the proton for the laws of physics and notes discrepancies in measurement methods that could indicate new physics.
  • A later reply disputes the comparison of this discovery to landmark quantum discoveries, suggesting it is a refinement rather than a groundbreaking finding.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the significance of the proton size findings, with some seeing it as a major development and others viewing it as a minor refinement. There is no consensus on the implications for theoretical physics or the relevance of the findings.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference various measurement methods and their discrepancies, but there is no resolution on the implications of these differences or their potential to indicate new physics.

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How far-reaching are the implications of this? Presumably it could add support to or help disprove certain theories that predict the larger radius as compared to what was found. It's mind boggling, really. I'd have to say this is on par with the discovery of the quantum (ie photoelectric effect, double slit experiment).
 
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I don't see the big deal with this. Could you elaborate?
 
Well QED and QFT aren't my area of expertise, I just found it interesting this hadn't been posted yet.

What do those theories predict as the radius of the proton? It'd be a good test of their validity.
 
How far-reaching are the implications of this?

I can't decipher the mumbo-jumbo in the abstract. Did they say it was anything other than the 10^-15 m I learned in college?:confused:
 
Ok, correction, I saw the Femtometers thing. So its 1.082 femtometers, pretty close to what I learned in high school, where's the fire?
 
Well it's actually the charge radius which is a full 5% below previously accepted values, that's the important thing here.
 
Reasonable explanation here..

http://www.sciencedaily.com/release...twitter&utm_campaign=RenewableEnergyHeadlines

As i understand it..

Knowing the size of the proton is important to our understanding of the laws of physics.

Two different ways of measuring it give different results.

That's allways interesting because it could be due to the way it's measured or some new physics?

Anyone care to comment if there are implication for LENR ?
 
schaefera said:
I'd have to say this is on par with the discovery of the quantum (ie photoelectric effect, double slit experiment).

It is not. Hate to burst your bubble. It is an important refinement of our understanding, but not to the extent that you are imagining.

Zz.
 

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