Earth's temperature follows it's magnetic field

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The discussion explores the speculative idea that Earth's temperature may rise when its magnetic field decreases. Participants consider the relationship between changes in the magnetic field, solar energy influx, and temperature variations, while examining historical data and geological perspectives.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes a correlation between the decrease in Earth's magnetic field and an increase in temperature due to enhanced solar energy reaching the planet.
  • Another participant notes a lack of correlation over millennium scales, suggesting that the relationship may not be straightforward.
  • Questions arise regarding the definition of the magnetic field's decrease, with some participants seeking clarification on measurement methods.
  • Some argue that solar energy, primarily in the form of light, is not significantly influenced by the magnetic field, although other mechanisms may exist.
  • Several participants discuss the current state of the Earth's magnetic field, mentioning a 5% decrease in strength over the last century and the possibility of geomagnetic reversals occurring roughly every 100,000 years.
  • There is a distinction made between geomagnetic reversals and geomagnetic excursions, with some participants asserting that the latter involves rapid changes and does not follow a predictable cycle.
  • One participant emphasizes that the magnetic field's behavior is complex and not fully understood, with the potential for multiple poles and chaotic reversals.
  • Another participant highlights that the magnetic field's average strength is currently about half of historical levels, suggesting ongoing changes in its dynamics.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express multiple competing views regarding the relationship between the magnetic field and temperature, as well as the nature of geomagnetic changes. The discussion remains unresolved, with no consensus reached on the proposed ideas.

Contextual Notes

Participants note limitations in understanding the specifics of Earth's internal processes and the challenges in observing them. The discussion includes references to various geological studies and data sources, but no definitive conclusions are drawn.

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A highly speculative idea i would like to propose, perhaps totally wrong.
Could it be that Earth's temperature rises when it's magnetic field decreases?
As the flows of Earth's metallic core change, it's magnetic field changes.
And currently the magnetic field is decreasing.
This decreasing in magnetic field allows more "solar energy" to arrive at the planet and this in turn increase the temperature of the Earth.
Please note I do not claim anything but if i have a link to reliable magnetic field data & temperature data i can check for a correlation.
 
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What do you mean by the statement

"The Earth's magnetic field has decreased (or increased for that matter)" ?

Are you counting the total flux through a given hemi - spherical surface?
 
Solar energy is mainly light, which is not influenced by the magnetic field.
This does not exclude other mechanisms, but it is not as simple as you might think.
 
Studiot said:
What do you mean by the statement

"The Earth's magnetic field has decreased (or increased for that matter)" ?

Are you counting the total flux through a given hemi - spherical surface?

I assume he's referring to the evidence that the Earth's magnetic field might currently be reversing, since measurements over the last 100 years have shown a drop in the strength of the Earth's magnetic field of about 5% (I remember it being about 5%. If someone has a more exact value, feel free to post it). Many Geologists believe this could mean the Earth's magnetic field is reversing, something it does roughly once every 100,000 years. Does that answer your question, Studiot?
 
phlip180 said:
I assume he's referring to the evidence that the Earth's magnetic field might currently be reversing, since measurements over the last 100 years have shown a drop in the strength of the Earth's magnetic field of about 5% (I remember it being about 5%. If someone has a more exact value, feel free to post it). Many Geologists believe this could mean the Earth's magnetic field is reversing, something it does roughly once every 100,000 years. Does that answer your question, Studiot?
Actually, the Earth's magnetic field hasn't flipped for over 780,000 years and it is a very slow process. Also, the Earth's magnetic field is not consistent.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geomagnetic_reversal

It's very odd that the OP comes up with an idea apparently without having even done a rudimentary search.

For people learning about Earth's magnetic field for the first time, the transcript of this NOVA show along with graphs and animations is very good.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/magnetic/

More answers to questions

http://www-spof.gsfc.nasa.gov/Education/FAQs1.html#q9
 
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Evo said:
It's very odd that the OP comes up with an idea apparently without having even done a rudimentary search.

Sorry, I was actually just saying what my Geology professor told me. He said that SOME Geologists believe the Earth's magnetic field flips every 100,000 years or so. I was not trying to imply that the Earth's magnetic field actually does flip that fast, just that it is the opinion of at least a large handful of Geologists studying the Earth's magnetic field. No, I did not do an internet search to get this information which I probably should have, but I did get all that information directly from a Professor in Geology.
 
phlip180 said:
Sorry, I was actually just saying what my Geology professor told me. He said that SOME Geologists believe the Earth's magnetic field flips every 100,000 years or so. I was not trying to imply that the Earth's magnetic field actually does flip that fast, just that it is the opinion of at least a large handful of Geologists studying the Earth's magnetic field. No, I did not do an internet search to get this information which I probably should have, but I did get all that information directly from a Professor in Geology.

No it's not flipping every 100k years, it's collapsing roughly in that cycle, known as geomagnetic excursions, Also check my previous link. However the collapses don't appear match the 100k cycle seen in the isotopes of the marine sediment cores nor the Antarctic ice cores.
 
phlip180 said:
Sorry, I was actually just saying what my Geology professor told me. He said that SOME Geologists believe the Earth's magnetic field flips every 100,000 years or so. I was not trying to imply that the Earth's magnetic field actually does flip that fast, just that it is the opinion of at least a large handful of Geologists studying the Earth's magnetic field. No, I did not do an internet search to get this information which I probably should have, but I did get all that information directly from a Professor in Geology.
When I said OP, that's the "Opening post(er)", not you. That would be Alain.

And unfortunately professors can get their facts wrong. :smile:
 
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Andre said:
No it's not flipping every 100k years, it's collapsing roughly in that cycle, known as geomagnetic excursions, Also check my previous link. However the collapses don't appear match the 100k cycle seen in the isotopes of the marine sediment cores nor the Antarctic ice cores.

The reversal of magnetic fields is chaotic and (unlike the Sun) doesn't follow any cycle at all. It has roughly a Poisson distribution, which is a fancy way of saying that knowing the period of time since the last reversal tells you nothing about the imminence of the next. The current strength of the field is about half of the historical average. The current theory is that the iron core is of opposite polarity of the rest of the field and resists reversals.

The field doesn't collapse. Magnetic fields can survive supernova explosions and are just about indestructible. What happens is that the poles begin to move. Four or six poles may form. Charged particles from the Sun would be funneled to the surface at regions near the poles. I don't know what effect that would have.

Very little is known about specifics of what goes on inside the Earth. It is difficult to observe. We know more about distant galaxies.
 
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ImaLooser said:
..The field doesn't collapse.

http://igitur-archive.library.uu.nl/geo/2002-0221-144010/Gubbins99.pdf

Excursions involve a rapid collapse of the field..

Note that we are not talking about geomagnetic reversals or flips, but geomagnetic excursions, which seem unique for this current Brunhes chron as they did not seem to have occurred earlier.

See also fig 1, showing the accepted excursions with a rough average interval of 100ky
 
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"every 100,000 years or so" and "not in the last 780000 years" could be true at the same time - the magnetic field is not a clock, it could switch on average once in 100000 years, but with some breaks in between.

Similar thing (but without possible underlying mechanics): It is expected that a supernova in our galaxy occurs about once every 50 years (source), but none was observed since 1604. Bad timing, as the first telescope was built in 1608.
 

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