Easy proof of Why del(phi) is normal to a surface?

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The discussion revolves around proving that a unit vector normal to a surface defined by a function f(x,y,z) = 0 at a point (a,b,c) is given by the gradient of f evaluated at that point, normalized by its modulus. The context involves concepts from multivariable calculus and vector analysis.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the relationship between the gradient of a function and the normal vector to a surface, discussing the implications of the directional derivative and its connection to tangent vectors. Questions arise about the evaluation of the unit vector at a specific point and the reasoning behind certain mathematical expressions.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants providing insights into the properties of the gradient and its geometric interpretation. Some guidance has been offered regarding the relationship between the gradient and tangent vectors, but there remains uncertainty about specific evaluations and the underlying reasoning.

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Participants express concerns about the clarity of definitions and the implications of certain mathematical expressions, indicating a need for further exploration of these concepts. There is a recognition of the importance of understanding the relationship between the gradient and the geometry of the surface.

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Homework Statement



Prove that for a 3d space s, defined by a function f(x,y,z) = 0 , a unit vector normal to surface at the point (a,b,c) is given by \nablaf(a,b,c) / modulus of \nablaf(a,b,c)

(Apologies for the bad use of latex)

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I can only seem to gesture at this - it was given us as a definition. I know that d(phi)/ds where phi is a surface and s is a distance = \nabla(Phi).A , and that surely if a is tangential the LHS is equal to zero, but I'm a bit stuck from there and not sure if I've used things I need to prove. Its only a few marks, but is bugging me.

Any help is greatly appreciated,
Cheers
Cpfoxunt
 
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Are you aware that D_{\vec{v}}\phi= \nabla\phi\cdot\vec{v}, where D_{\vec{v}} is the derivative in the direction of the unit vector \vec{v}? From that, it follows that if \vec{v} is tangent to a "level surface" \phi= constant, then D_{\vec{v}}\phi= \nabla\phi\cdot\vec{v}= 0. That is, \nabla\phi is perpendicular to any tangent vector and so to the surface itself.
 
I am aware of that (and now see why its important). That was what i was trying to get at with my attempt. But I'm still not quite happy - it doesn't explain the unit vector evaluated at (a,b,c), and I feel like I should try to gesture at why D(phi) = del(phi).V ?
 
I don't understand what you mean by "explain the unit vector". If you recognize that \nabla \phi is perpendicular to the surface, then of course dividing by its own length will give a unit vector in that direction.

As for why D_{\vec{v}}\phi= \nabla\phi\cdot\vec{v}, a unit vector can always be written in the form a\vec{i}+ b\vec{j}+ c\vec{k} where, of course, \sqrt{a^2+ b^2+ c^2}= 1. We can write a line in that direction as x= x_0+ at, y= y_0+ bt, and z= z_0+ bt. So \phi(x,y,z) in that direction is \phi( x_0+ at, y_0+ bt, z_0+ ct). Differentiate that with respect to t (using the chain rule) and see what you get.
 

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