Easy Trig question that is ridiculously hard

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving an isosceles triangle ABC with equal angles at B and C, each measuring 50 degrees, and a circle of radius 2 cm that touches the sides of the triangle. Participants are trying to calculate the length of side BC, which is stated to be 8.58 cm, but there is confusion regarding the application of trigonometric principles.

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  • Participants discuss various methods to approach the problem, including drawing additional lines and analyzing angles within the triangle and circle. Some question the accuracy of angle labeling and the relationship between the triangle's dimensions and the circle's radius. Others suggest using tangent functions and exploring the properties of the triangle formed by the circle's center.

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The discussion is ongoing, with multiple approaches being explored. Some participants have offered guidance on drawing additional lines and analyzing angles, while others express confusion about the problem setup and calculations. There is no explicit consensus on a single method or solution yet.

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Participants note potential issues with angle measurements and the geometric configuration, including the absence of a circle in some drawings and the implications of the triangle's properties on the calculations. The problem is situated early in the textbook, suggesting it may be foundational in nature.

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The picture speaks for itself, can anyone explain to me how to do this, they put it near the start of my book and i keep coming back to it yet no sine or cosine formulae etc... can help, please :)
 

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sponsoredwalk said:
The picture speaks for itself, can anyone explain to me how to do this, they put it near the start of my book and i keep coming back to it yet no sine or cosine formulae etc... can help, please :)

Start by drawing more lines on an accurate drawing. Draw a line from where the circle intersects the left line, down to where it intersects the middle of the BC line. Look at the triangle that is formed by that line and the angle B. You know B is 50 degrees, you know the two other angles are equal (to what?). Now look at the corresponding angles inside the circle for a triangle from the center of the circle out to those two points -- what are the angles in that circle? Now can you start filling in some of the distances needed?
 
(From the book:
In the isosceles triangle ABC, the equal angles at B and C are each 50'. The sides of the triangle each touch a circle of radius 2cm.
Calculate the length BC.
This question comes from chapter 3 and a barely newfound knowledge of sine (soh) and cosine (cah) is expected to explain this. The answer is 8.58cm although i really can't understand how it was accomplished.

I've attached an attempt in picture form, using this logic i continue and use the sine formula but get a wrong result for BC, idk what to do to get 8.58cm.
 

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sponsoredwalk said:
(From the book:

This question comes from chapter 3 and a barely newfound knowledge of sine (soh) and cosine (cah) is expected to explain this. The answer is 8.58cm although i really can't understand how it was accomplished.

I've attached an attempt in picture form, using this logic i continue and use the sine formula but get a wrong result for BC, idk what to do to get 8.58cm.

The angles are labeled wrong. The angles of a triangle add up to 180 degrees. How can one angle be 50 degrees, and the other two angles be 100 degrees apiece?
 
And your drawing does not show a circle in the middle. Is it a circle?
 
Here is another approach. Call the center of the circle O. You know the 2 cm radius of the circle bisects BC. Call that intersection Z. Draw a line from O to C. You now have a triangle OZC. Can you can find the angle OCZ? You know OZ is 2 cm. From the defination of Tangent angle you can find ZC. Twice ZC is BC. It might be helpful to draw a line segment from O to the intersection of the circle and segment AC and indentify all the measures of the interior angles. The answer is indeed 8.58 cm.
 
Do you know that the intersection of the symmetric lines of the angles create the center of the circle?

I do not find this problem hard to solve.

Here is picture:

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just use tan and find BC/2.

Regards.
 
i should have tried it myself, taking tan25'=2/x but i had thought if it and said no to myself, well thanks a lot u've made my day lol :)
 

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