Easy variational principle question that I can't integrate

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The discussion revolves around using a trial wavefunction, specifically exp(-bx^2), to estimate an upper limit for the ground state energy of a one-dimensional harmonic oscillator. Participants are exploring the implications of Gaussian integrals in this context.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the evaluation of the integral of x^2*exp(-bx^2) and its implications for the ground state energy. Questions arise regarding the normalization of the wavefunction and its effect on the results. There is also a concern about the relationship between the parameter b and the uncertainty principle.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights and questioning each other's approaches. Some have offered guidance on normalization and integral evaluation, while others are still trying to reconcile their calculations with expected physical principles.

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There are mentions of normalization constants and the potential impact of varying the parameter b on the results, which raises questions about the assumptions made in the trial wavefunction setup.

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Homework Statement



Use trial wavefunction exp(-bx^2) to get an upper limit for the groundstate energy of the 1-d harmonic oscillator

The Attempt at a Solution



This is always going to give an integral of x^2*exp(-x^2). How do you do it? :/
 
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It's a Gaussian integral that comes out to be

\int_{-\infty}^{\infty} x^2 e^{-b x^2} = \frac{\sqrt{\pi}}{2b^{3/2}}
 
yeah, I know that from wolfram alpha too. But that can't be right, because then my upper limit for the ground energy would depend on 1/b^3/2, which would mean if b was very large it would violate the uncertainty principle.
 
Did you normalize your wave test function?
 
Feldoh said:
Did you normalize your wave test function?

Yeah that's the one, thanks.
 
Wait..that still doesn't work. The norm.const = b^.5/(pi/2)^.5, which doesn't quite cancel with the b^3/2 in the denominator from the integral?
 
Can you show me some of your work? When I do it I get the appropriate contributions from the kinetic and potential expectation values.
 
sure:

<H> = <(b/\pi).exp(-bx^2)|H|(b/\pi).exp(-bx^2)>


<H> = b/\pi\int^{inf}_{-inf}exp(-2bx^2).\left(\frac{2h^2x}{m}+\frac{1}{2}mw^2x^2\right)dx
 
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The normalization constant is A = (\frac{2b}{\pi})^{1/4}

From there the Hamiltonian of a 1D harmonic oscillator:

-\frac{\hbar^2}{2m}\frac{d^2}{dx^2}+\frac{1}{2}m \omega x^2

I'm not sure if you all ready dealt with the second partial with respect to x do your expectation value of the Hamiltonian looks wrong so far.

Remember it's |A|^2\int_{-\infty}^{\infty} (e^{-b x^2})^* (-\frac{\hbar^2}{2m}\frac{d^2}{dx^2}+\frac{1}{2}m \omega x^2) e^{-b x^2} dx
 

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