Effect of Coupling Capacitors/Inductors

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The discussion centers on the effects of coupling capacitors and inductors in an NMOS oscillator circuit, specifically a Clapp oscillator. Participants explore how the addition of a 50 Ohm load and coupling capacitors may influence the resonant frequency and overall performance of the oscillator.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether the coupling capacitor will affect the calculations of the resonant frequency when a 50 Ohm load is connected, suggesting that it appears in parallel with the feedback capacitor.
  • Another participant suggests that traditionally, a buffer stage is used between the oscillator output and the load to avoid issues with the 50 Ohm load affecting the oscillator section.
  • Some participants note that while a 50 Ohm load is generally not preferred, certain microwave oscillators are designed to work with such loads.
  • Concerns are raised about the output waveform appearing as a perfect single-tone sinusoidal, with a spectrum analysis showing the second harmonic significantly lower than the fundamental, which raises questions about harmonic distortion.
  • One participant proposes designing an L, Pi, or T match as a last resort for output matching to a 50 Ohm load, emphasizing the need for a buffer to mitigate load impedance effects on frequency and power output.
  • Discussion includes attempts to isolate the negative resistance generator portion of the circuit and analyze its behavior, with suggestions for modeling negative resistance using an RLC circuit connected to a non-linear dependent source.
  • Participants discuss the importance of verifying Barkhausen's criterion for oscillation and how load affects frequency calculations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the necessity and implications of using a 50 Ohm load with the oscillator, and there is no consensus on the best approach to coupling and buffering in this context. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the optimal configuration and its effects on performance.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention various assumptions about circuit design, including the role of buffer stages and the specific characteristics of microwave oscillators. There are unresolved mathematical steps related to the negative resistance modeling and its application in oscillator design.

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More specifically, I have an NMOS oscillator, where the output is taken from the source terminal.

I have to couple the output (50 Ohm load) with a coupling capacitor, but is this going to affect my calculations of the resonant frequency of the circuit?

In my case, I have a Clapp oscillator (Capacitive feedback divider). When the load is connected, however, the Coupling cap + R_load appear, in effect, in parallel with my feedback capacitor. How should I implement this in my calculations?
 
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dalarev said:
More specifically, I have an NMOS oscillator, where the output is taken from the source terminal.

I have to couple the output (50 Ohm load) with a coupling capacitor, but is this going to affect my calculations of the resonant frequency of the circuit?

In my case, I have a Clapp oscillator (Capacitive feedback divider). When the load is connected, however, the Coupling cap + R_load appear, in effect, in parallel with my feedback capacitor. How should I implement this in my calculations?

I wouldn't think you'd want a 50 Ohm load associated with the oscillator section at all. I think more traditionally you will use a buffer stage between the oscillator output and your load.
 
What is the operating frequency?

I have to couple the output (50 Ohm load) with a coupling capacitor, but is this going to affect my calculations of the resonant frequency of the circuit?

generally yes, but in any case, you can always drive an emitter follower buffer stage which has low output impedance.

Although, there are some microwave oscillators which are specifically designed around 50 ohm transmission lines, and load.
 
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berkeman said:
I wouldn't think you'd want a 50 Ohm load associated with the oscillator section at all. I think more traditionally you will use a buffer stage between the oscillator output and your load.

50 Ohm load is the equivalent circuit of a "port" in the simulator I'm using; also, this port must be used for power measurements.

I have seen several schematics with a secondary buffer stage for that reason, perhaps I can implement that later.

what said:
What is the operating frequency?

Although, there are some microwave oscillators which are specifically designed around 50 ohm transmission lines, and load.

2.4 GHz. No transmission lines in this oscillator, at least not in the designing stage. I've got it to oscillate, but the sine wave I get in output looks like a perfect single-tone sinusoidal. Not only does that immediately raise suspicion, but the spectrum doesn't back that up at all.

I've attached an image of my schematic, my output waveform, and the spectrum. Thanks for the help.
 

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dalarev said:
2.4 GHz. No transmission lines in this oscillator, at least not in the designing stage. I've got it to oscillate, but the sine wave I get in output looks like a perfect single-tone sinusoidal. Not only does that immediately raise suspicion, but the spectrum doesn't back that up at all.
The second harmonic is about 30 db below the fundamental. You wouldn't see much harmonic distortion on the scope. That's why it looks like perfect sine wave.

If you need to match the output to a 50 ohm load, consider designing an L, Pi, or a T match as a last resort. This type oscillator design definitely needs a buffer as any load impedance will affect the frequency, and power output.
 
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what said:
The second harmonic is about 30 db below the fundamental. You wouldn't see much harmonic distortion on the scope. That's why it looks like perfect sine wave.

If you need to match the output to a 50 ohm load, consider designing an L, Pi, or a T match as a last resort. This type oscillator design definitely needs a buffer as any load impedance will affect the frequency, and power output.

Good point; that would rid my need for the RF choke at the source at the very least.

I've been trying to break this oscillator up into functional parts. I'd like to isolate the negative resistance generator portion of the circuit, which I'm assuming is everything except the series L+C3, and plot port parameters to confirm negative resistance behavior.

Any ideas how I could analyze, on paper, the negative resistance portion?
 
dalarev said:
I've been trying to break this oscillator up into functional parts. I'd like to isolate the negative resistance generator portion of the circuit, which I'm assuming is everything except the series L+C3, and plot port parameters to confirm negative resistance behavior.

Any ideas how I could analyze, on paper, the negative resistance portion?

Once you break up the circuit into its small-signal equivalent, it's very easier to identify the feedback path, verify Barkhausen's criterion for oscillation, calculate resonant frequency, calculate how load will affect frequency, or write it in negative resistance form.

Negative resistance can be modeled with an RLC circuit hooked to a non-linear dependent voltage or current source (nmos in this case). Write out the differential equation and identity what part needs to have negative resistance in order to oscillate. The simplest case that works is a coefficient of linear term of the non-linear dependent voltage or current source (nmos in this case). There is a whole derivation of this in Ludwig/Bretchko.

Once you worked out the negative resistance model, it becomes much easier to compare it with the circuit that you have. Although negative resistance model is rarely used in oscillator design. Barkhausen's criterion is used in practice. But still it's a great exercise.
 

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